M4 vs M2 CS CarWow

Davil · 04-28-2021, 05:46 AM

Wondered when this was going happen.

Davil · 04-28-2021, 05:55 AM

I disagree with his opinion having driven both cars but appreciate his opinion. Both cars can satisfy their intended audience very very well. No losers here.

killerdeck · 04-28-2021, 07:05 AM

I disagree with these reviews discussing costs being similar, as well. We all know that the CS is going to hold its value much better than a stock M4 Comp. I like how Matt mentions nothing of the front end, either.

Wah · 04-28-2021, 07:08 AM

If I'm not looking at resale value, and I'm completely ignoring esthetics... and I'm mostly interested in comfort, practicality, newer tech, 0-60 times...

nahh.. nevermind, I'm still getting the M2CS.

Joey_Dual_Clutch · 04-28-2021, 07:29 AM

Chris Harris went from M2C to M2CS. I’m sure he could get in an M4 if he thought it was better. Not that his word is gospel but his opinion confirms my bias.

For most people, I can see the M3/M4 appeal.

sdhotwn · 04-28-2021, 07:56 AM

Last generation to next generation. Performance marches on, and the pecking order is maintained. I expect the G87 will put down better numbers too. Nothing surprising or all that relevant really. CS versus C and a four way of that between F87 and F80 would be very interesting to me.

ptgltw · 04-28-2021, 07:57 AM

BSM CS for sale $150.000 USD. I'm getting a new M4.

Jimjamz · 04-28-2021, 09:01 AM

The M2CS provides accessible fun driving in low speed or high speed. It's gearing is great and it's 100% driver focused. The G80/2 platform seems destined for good things (design notwithstanding). If the G81 comes through I have a strong sense it will become our 2nd car to the CS.

M2C-NLUSA · 04-28-2021, 09:24 AM

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BSM CS for sale $150.000 USD. I'm getting a new M4.

Golden3ye · 04-28-2021, 10:47 AM

I figured the M4/M3 would be faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile. I did not expect it to be ONE SECOND quicker around the track. That actually hurt me to see as a M2CS owner.

The M4 is all around faster, and includes so much higher tech and safety features. Seems like a slam dunk for anyone who isn't a die hard driver car champion.

Jimjamz · 04-28-2021, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Golden3ye

I figured the M4/M3 would be faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile. I did not expect it to be ONE SECOND quicker around the track. That actually hurt me to see as a M2CS owner.

The M4 is all around faster, and includes so much higher tech and safety features. Seems like a slam dunk for anyone who isn't a die hard driver car champion.

It's not just track times that sways your decisions. There's no way I want a large car like a M4 - I already have a SUV for carting stuff around and it goes 0-100 kmh in 4.6. I want a car that wraps around me and is nimble to drive. The lengthy M4 is definitely not something I'd be cross-shopping a F87 CS with.

Joey_Dual_Clutch · 04-28-2021, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimjamz

It's not just track times that sways your decisions. There's no way I want a large car like a M4 - I already have a SUV for carting stuff around and it goes 0-100 kmh in 4.6. I want a car that wraps around me and is nimble to drive. The lengthy M4 is definitely not something I'd be cross-shopping a F87 CS with.

This. The new M3/M4 is kind of a no mans land size wise for me personally.
In an ideal world, I’d have the M2 CS and an X5m. However that new M5CS is appealing. Anyone on the list for that, yet?

JEI-PORBMW · 04-28-2021, 04:08 PM

I have a manual M2CS and DCT M2comp and love them both. I am just happy to hear how good the new M3/4 is. I never got a long with the previous generations (excl e46 CSL & e30) and this one, considering what it is intended for, it knocks it out of the park. If I could only have one car, the new M3 is hard to beat. I am privileged that it is one of many so the CS appeals more to me as a fun car, but for the one only garage the new M3/4 comp is like a Swiss Army knife and compared to Porsche well priced. Well done BMW

ScullyD · 04-28-2021, 05:28 PM

I have no problem with this review, but it was conducted on a track. I do believe, based on some reviews, the M4 will ride harder on a road than the CS. That may offset the smoothness of the ZF vs the DCT.

That said, faster 0-60 and faster lap time for the car that has about 60 extra HP. Ugly AF car though. Also this was a comparison of DCT to ZF 8 spd and not 6 spd to 6 spd.

I'd gladly have a 4 door M3C + a blindfold to go with my M2 CS.

6CylindersEveryDay · 04-28-2021, 05:37 PM

The M2 CS is fast enough for public roads for me. I'd rather have a delicious meal that I savor than a protein drink that I chug down.

MadBimmeRad · 04-28-2021, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Joey_Dual_Clutch

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Originally Posted by Jimjamz

It's not just track times that sways your decisions. There's no way I want a large car like a M4 - I already have a SUV for carting stuff around and it goes 0-100 kmh in 4.6. I want a car that wraps around me and is nimble to drive. The lengthy M4 is definitely not something I'd be cross-shopping a F87 CS with.

This. The new M3/M4 is kind of a no mans land size wise for me personally.
In an ideal world, I’d have the M2 CS and an X5m. However that new M5CS is appealing. Anyone on the list for that, yet?

Isn't yours getting built in July?

ScullyD · 04-28-2021, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

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Originally Posted by Joey_Dual_Clutch

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Originally Posted by Jimjamz

It's not just track times that sways your decisions. There's no way I want a large car like a M4 - I already have a SUV for carting stuff around and it goes 0-100 kmh in 4.6. I want a car that wraps around me and is nimble to drive. The lengthy M4 is definitely not something I'd be cross-shopping a F87 CS with.

This. The new M3/M4 is kind of a no mans land size wise for me personally.
In an ideal world, I'd have the M2 CS and an X5m. However that new M5CS is appealing. Anyone on the list for that, yet?

Isn't yours getting built in July?

Tried to get on a list, my dealer claims only 1 allocation.

f80_MG · 04-28-2021, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Joey_Dual_Clutch

This. The new M3/M4 is kind of a no mans land size wise for me personally.
In an ideal world, I’d have the M2 CS and an X5m. However that new M5CS is appealing. Anyone on the list for that, yet?

Gave up my allocation last week, just couldn't get excited enough about the M5CS.
Let's see if that iM2 materializes.

Joey_Dual_Clutch · 04-28-2021, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

Isn't yours getting built in July?

$150k right? I got a eye roll for the M2. For the M5 CS, I may have to sleep in it but you know what they say, better to ask forgiveness than permission.

AxM2CS · 04-28-2021, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 6CylindersEveryDay

The M2 CS is fast enough for public roads for me. I'd rather have a delicious meal that I savor than a protein drink that I chug down.

Great analogy - so agree

Davil · 04-28-2021, 09:36 PM

Having driven both, the m4C is like being John Holmes but wearing 3 condoms. The M2 cs is a good sized pipe with no protection.

It's all about the joy of driving for me. I don't need to brag about statistics.

MadBimmeRad · 04-29-2021, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ScullyD

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Originally Posted by MadBimmeRad

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Originally Posted by Joey_Dual_Clutch

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Originally Posted by Jimjamz

It's not just track times that sways your decisions. There's no way I want a large car like a M4 - I already have a SUV for carting stuff around and it goes 0-100 kmh in 4.6. I want a car that wraps around me and is nimble to drive. The lengthy M4 is definitely not something I'd be cross-shopping a F87 CS with.

This. The new M3/M4 is kind of a no mans land size wise for me personally.
In an ideal world, I'd have the M2 CS and an X5m. However that new M5CS is appealing. Anyone on the list for that, yet?

Isn't yours getting built in July?

Tried to get on a list, my dealer claims only 1 allocation.

Don't give up, there's bound to be a few floating about my friend

04-28-2021, 05:46 AM	#1
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Davil Brigadier General 6571 Rep 3,087 Posts Drives: M2 CS, 18 Vantage AMR, 00 WRX Join Date: Jul 2018 Location: Australia iTrader: (0) Garage List 2018 Aston Martin V ... [8.33] 2021 BMW M2 CS F87 [9.87] 2000 Subaru WRX GC8 [7.75]	I disagree with his opinion having driven both cars but appreciate his opinion. Both cars can satisfy their intended audience very very well. No losers here.
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04-28-2021, 07:05 AM	#3
killerdeck Second Lieutenant 355 Rep 278 Posts Drives: 20 M2 CS HS, 6-sp, PSS Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Dallas, TX iTrader: (0)	I disagree with these reviews discussing costs being similar, as well. We all know that the CS is going to hold its value much better than a stock M4 Comp. I like how Matt mentions nothing of the front end, either.
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Joey_Dual_Clutch Private 113 Rep 46 Posts Drives: BMW M2 CS Join Date: Apr 2021 Location: Michigan iTrader: (0)	Chris Harris went from M2C to M2CS. I’m sure he could get in an M4 if he thought it was better. Not that his word is gospel but his opinion confirms my bias. For most people, I can see the M3/M4 appeal.
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sdhotwn Mmmm... Bavarian 2129 Rep 1,690 Posts Drives: M2 CS, X5 45e, i3, Cayman S Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Wisconsin, USA iTrader: (0)	Last generation to next generation. Performance marches on, and the pecking order is maintained. I expect the G87 will put down better numbers too. Nothing surprising or all that relevant really. CS versus C and a four way of that between F87 and F80 would be very interesting to me. __________________ M2 CS 2023 CB X5 45e 2018 i3 94 2014 Cayman S
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04-28-2021, 09:01 AM	#8
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Golden3ye Lieutenant 500 Rep 569 Posts Drives: 2020 BMW M2 CS Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Missouri iTrader: (0)	I figured the M4/M3 would be faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile. I did not expect it to be ONE SECOND quicker around the track. That actually hurt me to see as a M2CS owner. The M4 is all around faster, and includes so much higher tech and safety features. Seems like a slam dunk for anyone who isn't a die hard driver car champion. __________________ 2020 M2 CS \| Black Saphire Metallic \| DCT / CCB SOLD: 2012 135i \| Le Mans \| 6MT 1986 535i \| Cirrus Blue Metallic \| 5MT
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JEI-PORBMW New Member 14 Rep 10 Posts Drives: BMW M3 Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: San Diego iTrader: (0)	I have a manual M2CS and DCT M2comp and love them both. I am just happy to hear how good the new M3/4 is. I never got a long with the previous generations (excl e46 CSL & e30) and this one, considering what it is intended for, it knocks it out of the park. If I could only have one car, the new M3 is hard to beat. I am privileged that it is one of many so the CS appeals more to me as a fun car, but for the one only garage the new M3/4 comp is like a Swiss Army knife and compared to Porsche well priced. Well done BMW Last edited by JEI-PORBMW; 04-28-2021 at 04:08 PM.. Reason: typo
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ScullyD Senior 1Addict 5166 Rep 2,426 Posts Drives: BMW iX, Porsche GT4 RS Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NJ iTrader: (0) Garage List 2022 M5 CS [10.00] 2022 BMW iX [10.00]	I have no problem with this review, but it was conducted on a track. I do believe, based on some reviews, the M4 will ride harder on a road than the CS. That may offset the smoothness of the ZF vs the DCT. That said, faster 0-60 and faster lap time for the car that has about 60 extra HP. Ugly AF car though. Also this was a comparison of DCT to ZF 8 spd and not 6 spd to 6 spd. I'd gladly have a 4 door M3C + a blindfold to go with my M2 CS.
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