Rev match?

specracer · 01-16-2021, 06:57 PM

Hello CS group, I am considering moving out of our F80 M3 into a M2 CS.

Hoping to not start a rev match debate, but I personally hate this feature (Im a "heel toe" person).

Can rev match be turned off in a M3 CS? In the F80, I need to select "sport plus" and its gone. Is this the same in the CS? Or is there a better way to disable this feature?

cncmastr · 01-16-2021, 07:02 PM

It's full traction off in sport plus for disabling it.

I got used to it and like it, but I hear ya.

specracer · 01-16-2021, 07:20 PM

Really? At least on the M3 can program the "M" buttons on the steering wheel, for different levels of DSC but still in "sport plus". I have my M1 sport plus w traction control on, and M2 sport plus with out TC.

Sadly I just didnt't get used to rev match, Ive had the M3 for 5 years, and it still bothers me today. It might keep me from buying the 2 CS if I cant keep it off.

ptgltw · 01-16-2021, 07:28 PM

I have old school bmw track cars and while I enjoy a good heel toe in those cars I also enjoy the super quick rev match the CS has to offer. Love them both.

specracer · 01-16-2021, 07:49 PM

Thank you, again I didnt want to start a rev match debate, hoping to learn if I can turn it off or not.

ScullyD · 01-16-2021, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by specracer

Thank you, again I didnt want to start a rev match debate, hoping to learn if I can turn it off or not.

You need to turn off traction control and put it in sport plus.

ptgltw · 01-16-2021, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by specracer

Thank you, again I didnt want to start a rev match debate, hoping to learn if I can turn it off or not.

see post #2. I didn't really debate, I just said I love them both. Not trying to convince you otherwise.

Yes it can be turned off but you need to know how to "drive" without the nannies.

AxM2CS · 01-16-2021, 09:02 PM

So you can't turn it off via bimmercode? That was the first thing I was going to look to do when my car returns from detailer.

It works *very* well. It is kinda fun. I feel guilty using it. Then got back in my 540i yesterday and my right foot wasn't as fast as it should be on the downshift. If I could I would program it off on M2.

doug_999 · 01-17-2021, 01:36 AM

Even in the late build F80 cars it can't be turned off without disabling everything.

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1533646

Davil · 01-17-2021, 02:51 AM

If you are a good driver it won't intervene.

MadBimmeRad · 01-17-2021, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Davil

If you are a good driver it won't intervene.

That's why I should have chosen DCT, Jimjamz did warn me lol

specracer · 01-17-2021, 06:39 AM

Got it, sorry.

This is disappointing. Im fine WO TC. I guess had hoped, since we got our 2015 F80, BMW would adapt to accommodate the enthusiasts that buy these cars.

I'd be curious if anyone knows if it could be coded out or not (F80 it could not).

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Originally Posted by ptgltw

see post #2. I didn't really debate, I just said I love them both. Not trying to convince you otherwise.

Yes it can be turned off but you need to know how to "drive" without the nannies.

MomoM3 · 01-17-2021, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by doug_999

Even in the late build F80 cars it can't be turned off without disabling everything.

https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1533646

Yup. I had a June 2018 build F80 ZCP 6MT and rev match would persist in every driving mode. Didn't bother me the least bit.

mchart · 01-17-2021, 09:26 AM

At first it annoyed me, but honestly the more i've driven the car I don't mind it.

I find the rev-hang far more annoying, along with the slop in the shifter.

medphysdave · 01-17-2021, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mchart

At first it annoyed me, but honestly the more i've driven the car I don't mind it.

I find the rev-hang far more annoying, along with the slop in the shifter.

I don't notice much slop at all in my shifter. I was expecting it feel loose, but nope. I do notice a sponginess when shifting into first if the rpm is higher than it would like. It seems to resist going into first until it's in it's happy place. I don't try to force my will upon it.

ptgltw · 01-17-2021, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by medphysdave

I don't notice much slop at all in my shifter. I was expecting it feel loose, but nope. I do notice a sponginess when shifting into first if the rpm is higher than it would like. It seems to resist going into first until it's in it's happy place. I don't try to force my will upon it.

The shifter is pretty bad. Not as bad as my M2C but it isn’t up to par with The rest of the car. There are some really good aftermarket solutions for not much money that make it feel as good as a modern day Tremec.

medphysdave · 01-17-2021, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ptgltw

The shifter is pretty bad. Not as bad as my M2C but it isn’t up to par with The rest of the car. There are some really good aftermarket solutions for not much money that make it feel as good as a modern day Tremec.

The AS ssk was on my radar, but after driving the CS it's no longer a top priority. It might be a mid year upgrade.

ptgltw · 01-17-2021, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by medphysdave

The AS ssk was on my radar, but after driving the CS it's no longer a top priority. It might be a mid year upgrade.

I have no idea what the UCP clutch upgrade will do / is all about, but mine is in the mail. I hear the combo of the shifter and the UCP clutch is a winner. We shall see

specracer · 01-17-2021, 06:26 PM

Thank you all for the info. I think we are going to move forward, regardless of rev match being more invasive than an early F80. Hope I dont regret it.

Again thanks for all the replies.

Moflow · 01-17-2021, 06:53 PM

If its the same as the M2C, you can turn the rev match off without being in Sport+ mode, but you MUST have DSC completely off. DSC off = no rev matching, steering and throttle response can be in any mode. I frequently drive my car with DSC off in Eco or Sport just to blip my own downshifts when i'm driving around slowly.

ScullyD · 01-17-2021, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ptgltw

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Originally Posted by medphysdave

The AS ssk was on my radar, but after driving the CS it's no longer a top priority. It might be a mid year upgrade.

I have no idea what the UCP clutch upgrade will do / is all about, but mine is in the mail. I hear the combo of the shifter and the UCP clutch is a winner. We shall see

Where is this upgrade?

ScullyD · 01-17-2021, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ptgltw

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Originally Posted by medphysdave

I don't notice much slop at all in my shifter. I was expecting it feel loose, but nope. I do notice a sponginess when shifting into first if the rpm is higher than it would like. It seems to resist going into first until it's in it's happy place. I don't try to force my will upon it.

The shifter is pretty bad. Not as bad as my M2C but it isn't up to par with The rest of the car. There are some really good aftermarket solutions for not much money that make it feel as good as a modern day Tremec.

Disagree, the shifter is pretty good by BMW standards and fits the car really well. Mine is notchy into 2nd, but every BMW shifter I've had or driven has been in some way. Definitely has mechanical precision to it. Not the greatest shifter ever but far from a drawback.

01-16-2021, 06:57 PM	#1
specracer First Lieutenant 318 Rep 375 Posts Drives: M2 CS HS 6MT M8 Comp Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Boston area iTrader: (0)	Rev match? Hello CS group, I am considering moving out of our F80 M3 into a M2 CS. Hoping to not start a rev match debate, but I personally hate this feature (Im a "heel toe" person). Can rev match be turned off in a M3 CS? In the F80, I need to select "sport plus" and its gone. Is this the same in the CS? Or is there a better way to disable this feature?
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specracer First Lieutenant 318 Rep 375 Posts Drives: M2 CS HS 6MT M8 Comp Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Boston area iTrader: (0)	Really? At least on the M3 can program the "M" buttons on the steering wheel, for different levels of DSC but still in "sport plus". I have my M1 sport plus w traction control on, and M2 sport plus with out TC. Sadly I just didnt't get used to rev match, Ive had the M3 for 5 years, and it still bothers me today. It might keep me from buying the 2 CS if I cant keep it off.
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ptgltw Lieutenant Colonel 3780 Rep 1,657 Posts Drives: BMW M's Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Maryland iTrader: (0)	I have old school bmw track cars and while I enjoy a good heel toe in those cars I also enjoy the super quick rev match the CS has to offer. Love them both. __________________ 1995 LTW: Modified by BMW NA Factory team from new M2 CS: CF Buckets & more (track toy)
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specracer First Lieutenant 318 Rep 375 Posts Drives: M2 CS HS 6MT M8 Comp Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Boston area iTrader: (0)	Thank you, again I didnt want to start a rev match debate, hoping to learn if I can turn it off or not.
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AxM2CS Lieutenant 543 Rep 405 Posts Drives: E28 535i >E39 528iT >E39 540i6 Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Arlington, VA iTrader: (0)	So you can't turn it off via bimmercode? That was the first thing I was going to look to do when my car returns from detailer. It works very well. It is kinda fun. I feel guilty using it. Then got back in my 540i yesterday and my right foot wasn't as fast as it should be on the downshift. If I could I would program it off on M2.
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doug_999 Brigadier General 2545 Rep 3,968 Posts Drives: 2011 1M/2021 992/2023 X3 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chicago, IL iTrader: (0)	Even in the late build F80 cars it can't be turned off without disabling everything. https://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1533646 __________________ 2011 1M, Black loaded sans sat radio 2021 911 C4S Gentian Blue, manual 2023 X3 M40i - loaded sans Park Assist
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mchart First Lieutenant 433 Rep 352 Posts Drives: 2002 M Coupe Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: NA iTrader: (0)	At first it annoyed me, but honestly the more i've driven the car I don't mind it. I find the rev-hang far more annoying, along with the slop in the shifter.
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specracer First Lieutenant 318 Rep 375 Posts Drives: M2 CS HS 6MT M8 Comp Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Boston area iTrader: (0)	Thank you all for the info. I think we are going to move forward, regardless of rev match being more invasive than an early F80. Hope I dont regret it. Again thanks for all the replies.
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Moflow Lieutenant Colonel 2485 Rep 1,602 Posts Drives: 2020 M2C 6MT Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: Seattle iTrader: (0)	If its the same as the M2C, you can turn the rev match off without being in Sport+ mode, but you MUST have DSC completely off. DSC off = no rev matching, steering and throttle response can be in any mode. I frequently drive my car with DSC off in Eco or Sport just to blip my own downshifts when i'm driving around slowly.
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