Did anyone go from a 1M to their M2?

josephvman · 01-31-2017, 09:55 PM

I'm thinking about this trade. I've had the 1M since new, and I'm just ready for something new with a warranty. I've read some online comparisons, and it seems like the 1M is a bit more raw and involving, but I'd love to hear from someone who actually owned and drove both of them for awhile, and if they have any regrets from making the change. I'm also thinking about the coming new Audi RS3.

doug_999 · 01-31-2017, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by josephvman

I'm thinking about this trade. I've had the 1M since new, and I'm just ready for something new with a warranty. I've read some online comparisons, and it seems like the 1M is a bit more raw and involving, but I'd love to hear from someone who actually owned and drove both of them for awhile, and if they have any regrets from making the change. I'm also thinking about the coming new Audi RS3.

I have both. And... I have not driven them back to back - the 1M is in storage (I hope, have not checked on it in a few weeks

. I think.. I think... the M2 is very very different. Steering for one is totally different - ride is too. You are correct, the 1M is more raw - but more than a bit. And... the nice things about the M2 (iDrive, controls, etc) - all the modern things make it such a nice daily driver. The 1M is a machine, the M2 is a modern day BMW.

very curious to drive them back to back....

Destroya · 01-31-2017, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by josephvman

I'm thinking about this trade. I've had the 1M since new, and I'm just ready for something new with a warranty. I've read some online comparisons, and it seems like the 1M is a bit more raw and involving, but I'd love to hear from someone who actually owned and drove both of them for awhile, and if they have any regrets from making the change. I'm also thinking about the coming new Audi RS3.

There is a good comparison of both on Bimmerfile.com by one of the writers who owns a 1M. Hint - he likes the edgier model.

AlexCirci · 01-31-2017, 10:40 PM

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ried · 01-31-2017, 11:50 PM

Chris Harris drove them back to back on a track, too. Comparisons are not hard to find.

Robin_NL · 02-01-2017, 05:19 AM

I did.

I sometimes miss my 1M. Easier accessible(lower speed) fun/steering/N54, but for the rest M2

To the OP: You WILL regret the RS3 or ANY Audi this side of an R8 V10 Plus...
(If you're used to the most sporty M car from the last decade, 1M)

Cheers
Robin

M3 Adjuster · 02-01-2017, 06:15 AM

@1M Tex currently owns both. His wife owned a 135is 6MT and she upgraded to an LBB M2 6MT. Its her daily driver and while she loved her 135is... she does prefer the M2.

On the other hand, he prefers his 1M and continues to drive it daily. The 1M with mods is quicker, more raw and more fun.

josephvman you wrote ...

"I'm just ready for something new with a WARRANTY".

You didn't indicate your driving usage, but if the statement above is driving your decision and the car is going to be a daily driver ( but not a track car ) I would say that you likely might be happier with the M2 ala Robin_NL because of the warranty and the M2 controls are easier ( read: less driver feedback) because of the electric steering , slicker shifter and lighter clutch with auto rev match (or perhaps you want an automatic ), better TPMS and other creature comforts like an IPad on the dash , Apple car play, etc.

If your car is a weekend car, or a car that you track often, or if you are simply an old school car guy , I would urge you to keep the 1M...

My car is a combo garage and track queen.
I don't drive my car often. After weeks of driving my X1 ... The first thing that happens pulling out of the garage in the 1M.. I think - " wow this steering wheel is kinda hard to turn ... " and then I realize I can FEEL the wheel turning as well as it's being alive under my hands as it rotates back on center after a turn

I can feel and enjoy the feel and effort of clutch engagement... i can feel the gear lever snick into gears and I can feel the tranmission cogs.

I appreciate the Lower seating position and my oh so perfect manual seat adjustment and I absolutely enjoy rev matching myself !

The 1M is more raw and far more involving than the M2 when it comes to being an active driver. There is more tactile feel while driving. When i tackle tough twisties in the 1M it's exhilarating as hell and also tiring ! You get a bit of a work out and have a huge grin on your face and a little sweat under the collar. It's thrilling ! It's not an easy car to drive fast .. and it requires a talented driver whereas the M2 on the other hand is almost like child's play. It's like chess vs checkers. Both are great games but one requires more of the person playing.

The Interior Dimensions of the vehicles are the same. The exterior of the M2 is longer and I believe slightly wider - may make a difference in some garages. The larger dimensions are actually a negative for an autocrosser trying to get through a course.

For track drivers , the 1M can accommodate a far larger range of wheels and tires. The 1M does have some stock camber adjustment up front where the M2 does not. Realistically, both cars will need camber plates when tracked often. The M2 can only wear an apex EC-7.. and not the Apex Arc-8 for example due to brake clearance issues. The 1M can easily fit an 18x 10 setup all around and one can put wider tires on the front and rear than the M2.. running 18x 11 rears with 335 tread is possible. There are more brake pad options for the 1M as well.

For my purposes, the only advantage of an M2 is a new warranty .. and european delivery again

although that might be just perfect for you.

RaceCarDriver · 02-04-2017, 10:24 AM

I have a 1M and bought my M2 back in May of 2016. At first I though I would sell the 1M since the cars would be too similar.

As good as the M2 is, I like the 1M better, more visceral and exciting to drive and most of all hydraulic vs electric steering makes such a difference. The M2 has better IDrive, easier to drive fast, etc.

see my videos below. This is one of my first videos so the quality is not good, (old camera) but you will see the differences.

part 1

Part 2

Part 3

rosky1 · 02-04-2017, 04:05 PM

I made the switch. Both average 500 mi per month. Agree 1M is more raw & agile, but happy with the M2 feel & response in sport mode. Also feel overall look of body & interior is an upgrade. And having a warranty plus PCD was icing on the cake.

BimmerMat135 · 02-05-2017, 09:55 AM

From what I can understand there is no reason to go from the 1M except the fact that you get a modern car with warranty updated interior etc. The M2 is slightly faster but the feel is much better in the 1M. I've been asking myself this same question and i think i will put my money elsewhere.

Artemis · 02-05-2017, 11:49 AM

A couple of my thoughts re this topic:
http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...4#post20882374

littleoldman · 02-11-2017, 05:16 PM

I kept my 1M, I ordered my M2 and wont sell either till I had plenty of time behind the wheel. I suspect you should do the same.
I also kept my 335D (which is better than both when running as it has 425lbs of torque...and is amazing...when running - thank you BMW for selling crappy diesels in the US)
I kept a handful of others...and prefer balanced cars over pure speed. Only problem is, going fast on windy roads is a PITA as I always seem to catch up to Ben, Biffy, Marsha, Jane and others ho insist that 35 in a 40 is fine.

So then I ask, maybe a 0-60 car is more fun as exploiting M cars is about high speed back roads...but they seem few and far between. I find myself then grabbing the keys from my wife and tooling around in her Porsche TurboS PDK just to rip off the line...and hell yes, storm to 90 for a blast here and there (90 in a 30 is 3x the fun) - and hauling down on the Ceramics takes no time. Porsche - reminds me there really is no Substitute.

RaceCarDriver · 02-12-2017, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by littleoldman

I kept my 1M, I ordered my M2 and wont sell either till I had plenty of time behind the wheel. I suspect you should do the same.
I also kept my 335D (which is better than both when running as it has 425lbs of torque...and is amazing...when running - thank you BMW for selling crappy diesels in the US)
I kept a handful of others...and prefer balanced cars over pure speed. Only problem is, going fast on windy roads is a PITA as I always seem to catch up to Ben, Biffy, Marsha, Jane and others ho insist that 35 in a 40 is fine.

So then I ask, maybe a 0-60 car is more fun as exploiting M cars is about high speed back roads...but they seem few and far between. I find myself then grabbing the keys from my wife and tooling around in her Porsche TurboS PDK just to rip off the line...and hell yes, storm to 90 for a blast here and there (90 in a 30 is 3x the fun) - and hauling down on the Ceramics takes no time. Porsche - reminds me there really is no Substitute.

Porsche - My 993 Turbo is my 0-60 car. 6 speed manual and no stability control or traction control.

NO_USER_ · 02-12-2017, 02:26 PM

First BMW/M car here, seems a warranty is very much preferred. Are these cars not reliable? Thanks!

mercedesc63 · 02-12-2017, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by josephvman

I'm thinking about this trade. I've had the 1M since new, and I'm just ready for something new with a warranty. I've read some online comparisons, and it seems like the 1M is a bit more raw and involving, but I'd love to hear from someone who actually owned and drove both of them for awhile, and if they have any regrets from making the change. I'm also thinking about the coming new Audi RS3.

Don't do it!! Keep the 1M.

Franzino · 02-12-2017, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

There are more brake pad options for the 1M as well.

The standard M2 brakes are better then the 1M...if you are planning to fit aftermarket brakes this is not relevant...

I have driven both and I could have bought a used 1M, used e90 M3, used f80 M3 and a new M2. I went for a new M2, because I personally liked it more then the 1M and M3... The M2 is my daily driver and I have also a Z4M roadster in my garage for old school NA and hydraulic steering fun

The M2 is a better daily driver (that also looks better inside and out for me), the 1M is better extra fun car that gives you more chills and thrills then the M2. But for that purpose I have my Z4M.

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Robin_NL S0THPAW 8731 Rep 7,847 Posts Drives: HS M2 Competition Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: The Netherlands iTrader: (0)	I did. I sometimes miss my 1M. Easier accessible(lower speed) fun/steering/N54, but for the rest M2 To the OP: You WILL regret the RS3 or ANY Audi this side of an R8 V10 Plus... (If you're used to the most sporty M car from the last decade, 1M) Cheers Robin
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M3 Adjuster Banned 7909 Rep 11,785 Posts Drives: 1M, X1 M Sport, E46 325ic Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Dallas, Tx iTrader: (0)	@1M Tex currently owns both. His wife owned a 135is 6MT and she upgraded to an LBB M2 6MT. Its her daily driver and while she loved her 135is... she does prefer the M2. On the other hand, he prefers his 1M and continues to drive it daily. The 1M with mods is quicker, more raw and more fun. josephvman you wrote ... "I'm just ready for something new with a WARRANTY". You didn't indicate your driving usage, but if the statement above is driving your decision and the car is going to be a daily driver ( but not a track car ) I would say that you likely might be happier with the M2 ala Robin_NL because of the warranty and the M2 controls are easier ( read: less driver feedback) because of the electric steering , slicker shifter and lighter clutch with auto rev match (or perhaps you want an automatic ), better TPMS and other creature comforts like an IPad on the dash , Apple car play, etc. If your car is a weekend car, or a car that you track often, or if you are simply an old school car guy , I would urge you to keep the 1M... My car is a combo garage and track queen. I don't drive my car often. After weeks of driving my X1 ... The first thing that happens pulling out of the garage in the 1M.. I think - " wow this steering wheel is kinda hard to turn ... " and then I realize I can FEEL the wheel turning as well as it's being alive under my hands as it rotates back on center after a turn I can feel and enjoy the feel and effort of clutch engagement... i can feel the gear lever snick into gears and I can feel the tranmission cogs. I appreciate the Lower seating position and my oh so perfect manual seat adjustment and I absolutely enjoy rev matching myself ! The 1M is more raw and far more involving than the M2 when it comes to being an active driver. There is more tactile feel while driving. When i tackle tough twisties in the 1M it's exhilarating as hell and also tiring ! You get a bit of a work out and have a huge grin on your face and a little sweat under the collar. It's thrilling ! It's not an easy car to drive fast .. and it requires a talented driver whereas the M2 on the other hand is almost like child's play. It's like chess vs checkers. Both are great games but one requires more of the person playing. The Interior Dimensions of the vehicles are the same. The exterior of the M2 is longer and I believe slightly wider - may make a difference in some garages. The larger dimensions are actually a negative for an autocrosser trying to get through a course. For track drivers , the 1M can accommodate a far larger range of wheels and tires. The 1M does have some stock camber adjustment up front where the M2 does not. Realistically, both cars will need camber plates when tracked often. The M2 can only wear an apex EC-7.. and not the Apex Arc-8 for example due to brake clearance issues. The 1M can easily fit an 18x 10 setup all around and one can put wider tires on the front and rear than the M2.. running 18x 11 rears with 335 tread is possible. There are more brake pad options for the 1M as well. For my purposes, the only advantage of an M2 is a new warranty .. and european delivery again although that might be just perfect for you.
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RaceCarDriver First Lieutenant 304 Rep 308 Posts Drives: 2016 BMW M2 LBB 6 speed Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Bergen County, New Jersey iTrader: (0)	I have a 1M and bought my M2 back in May of 2016. At first I though I would sell the 1M since the cars would be too similar. As good as the M2 is, I like the 1M better, more visceral and exciting to drive and most of all hydraulic vs electric steering makes such a difference. The M2 has better IDrive, easier to drive fast, etc. see my videos below. This is one of my first videos so the quality is not good, (old camera) but you will see the differences. part 1 Part 2 Part 3 __________________ Current Cars - BMW 1M, BMW E46 M3, BMW M2 took delivery 5/6/16 - 2001 BMW M Coupe S54 - 1996 Porsche 993 Turbo -2005 Acura NSX - Mclaren 570s Instagram: @glenns_car_collection YOUTUBE CHANNEL: Glenns Car Collection https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWT...iVSFmK7nz6Q5_w website: www.glennscarcollection.com
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rosky1 Private First Class 39 Rep 146 Posts Drives: Join Date: Dec 2007 iTrader: (0)	I made the switch. Both average 500 mi per month. Agree 1M is more raw & agile, but happy with the M2 feel & response in sport mode. Also feel overall look of body & interior is an upgrade. And having a warranty plus PCD was icing on the cake.
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BimmerMat135 Major 706 Rep 1,449 Posts Drives: E82M/S213 E450 A/T Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Montréal Canada iTrader: (0)	From what I can understand there is no reason to go from the 1M except the fact that you get a modern car with warranty updated interior etc. The M2 is slightly faster but the feel is much better in the 1M. I've been asking myself this same question and i think i will put my money elsewhere.
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Artemis Moderator 29655 Rep 13,138 Posts Drives: BMW M2 Competition Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Belgium iTrader: (0)	A couple of my thoughts re this topic: http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...4#post20882374 __________________ ///M is art ↔ Artemis
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littleoldman Banned 107 Rep 166 Posts Drives: incoming M2 - sold 335D Sport Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: 1988 M3, 2006 330 Conv (ZCP), 2008 535Xi, 2011 335D Sport iTrader: (0)	I kept my 1M, I ordered my M2 and wont sell either till I had plenty of time behind the wheel. I suspect you should do the same. I also kept my 335D (which is better than both when running as it has 425lbs of torque...and is amazing...when running - thank you BMW for selling crappy diesels in the US) I kept a handful of others...and prefer balanced cars over pure speed. Only problem is, going fast on windy roads is a PITA as I always seem to catch up to Ben, Biffy, Marsha, Jane and others ho insist that 35 in a 40 is fine. So then I ask, maybe a 0-60 car is more fun as exploiting M cars is about high speed back roads...but they seem few and far between. I find myself then grabbing the keys from my wife and tooling around in her Porsche TurboS PDK just to rip off the line...and hell yes, storm to 90 for a blast here and there (90 in a 30 is 3x the fun) - and hauling down on the Ceramics takes no time. Porsche - reminds me there really is no Substitute.
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NO_USER_ Captain 538 Rep 752 Posts Drives: . Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: . iTrader: (2)	First BMW/M car here, seems a warranty is very much preferred. Are these cars not reliable? Thanks!
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