Why 333HP is as fast as 420HP???

nokia3310 · 10-28-2011, 04:00 PM

I am just curious here beacsue i am just annoyed with automotive companies for making slow cars. How in hell is a 333HP M3 be as fast as the newer 420HP M3?

They both do 0-60mph in 4.6s. SO i don't get it. What the hell is going on, is engineering deteriorating or something?
Just freaking annoying. A freaking old as hell camaro will do almost that time.

So what is the whole point of the M in the M3 and all the hype when it can't even do sub 4???

gthal · 10-28-2011, 05:15 PM

Can't tell if you are trolling or not but let's assume you aren't.

First, the E92 M3 with 414hp is notably faster than the E46 M3 with 333hp. Your numbers are not correct. So your assertion that there is no difference in performance is just wrong... you need to check your info sources.

Second, there are very few sub 4 sec cars out there and none (other than, maybe, a C63 with P31 package) in the M3s price range. If you are looking for a sub 4 sec car, the M3 is not for you and you are missing the point of the M3 entirely.

Darth One · 10-28-2011, 05:51 PM

Yep, shame on BMW. They should know that car buyers blindly make their decisions based on 0-60 times and absolutely nothing else. Just the other day I saw a Bentley Continental GT owner just straight up hand his keys over to a used Mustang owner in the parking lot, because the Mustang owner showed him a stained cutout motor trend page that showed the Mustang 0-60 was lower

M3SQRD · 10-28-2011, 07:11 PM

I currently own an e92 M3 and a track-prep'd e46 M3. My e46 M3 weighs about 275 lb fewer than a stock e46 M3 and it has a 4.10 diff (plus a bunch of other mods) yet my e92 M3 is still faster than my e46 M3 in a straight line as well as on a racetrack. Like others have said please get your facts straight before you make uninformed statements. Also, good luck tracking down the hideous e46 M3 body kit and wing you are looking for because it's only going to make your car heavier and slower, assuming you even own an e46 M3.

I M STIG · 10-28-2011, 07:16 PM

E9x M3 0-60= 4.1-4.3 seconds.
E46 M3 0-60= 4.5-4.8 seconds.

Yeah, that's totally close... So a stock E46 M3 on its best day is still .2 seconds slower than an E9x M3 on its worst day.

w00tw00t · 10-28-2011, 07:43 PM

ah bench racing at its best..

must be the weekend and the tracks are shut for the season..

nokia3310 · 10-28-2011, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AwesomeBMW2

E9x M3 0-60= 4.1-4.3 seconds.
E46 M3 0-60= 4.5-4.8 seconds.

Yeah, that's totally close... So a stock E46 M3 on its best day is still .2 seconds slower than an E9x M3 on its worst day.

Are those official?
Where did you get that from?

nokia3310 · 10-28-2011, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gthal

Can't tell if you are trolling or not but let's assume you aren't.

First, the E92 M3 with 414hp is notably faster than the E46 M3 with 333hp. Your numbers are not correct. So your assertion that there is no difference in performance is just wrong... you need to check your info sources.

Second, there are very few sub 4 sec cars out there and none (other than, maybe, a C63 with P31 package) in the M3s price range. If you are looking for a sub 4 sec car, the M3 is not for you and you are missing the point of the M3 entirely.

After all the noise you making...why don't you put up the official 0-60 times?
Please pull them out with your sources and let see who is trolling

nokia3310 · 10-28-2011, 09:08 PM

According to BMW
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...ical_data.html

0-60 of new BMW M3 Coupe with 420 HP (http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...engine/v8.html) is 4.6 (M DCT) and 4.8 (manual)

Now can someone please tell me what was the 0-60 of the BMW M3 E46 ?
Here is something to help you incase you feel lazy
http://www.zeroto60times.com/BMW-Bim...mph-Times.html

Now can someone be the judge here?
What is the point of M3 is i supposedly don't get the point?

gthal · 10-28-2011, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nokia3310

After all the noise you making...why don't you put up the official 0-60 times?
Please pull them out with your sources and let see who is trolling

Sorry son, no noise here... just setting you straight.

Just so you know, there are no "official" 0-60 times. Each "source" who tests the car will publish their own results and things such as weather, altitude, tires, etc impact results. The only "official" time might be BMW's claim but everyone knows how accurate that is.

Now, I have wasted enough of my time responding to this sillyness already. Thanks for coming out, you have clearly left this place better off than you found it

gthal · 10-28-2011, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nokia3310

According to BMW
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...ical_data.html

0-60 of new BMW M3 Coupe with 420 HP (http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...engine/v8.html) is 4.6 (M DCT) and 4.8 (manual)

Now can someone please tell me what was the 0-60 of the BMW M3 E46 ?
Here is something to help you incase you feel lazy
http://www.zeroto60times.com/BMW-Bim...mph-Times.html

Now can someone be the judge here?
What is the point of M3 is i supposedly don't get the point?

Why doesn't this surprise me

Per your OWN reference above... 2004 E46 M3 0 to 60 was 4.6s and the 2008 E9x M3 was 4.0s. So, the current M3 is 0.6s faster to 60 per your own source. That is substantial. NOW do YOU get it? It is time to stop trolling

M3SQRD · 10-28-2011, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nokia3310

According to BMW
http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...ical_data.html

0-60 of new BMW M3 Coupe with 420 HP (http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...engine/v8.html) is 4.6 (M DCT) and 4.8 (manual)

Now can someone please tell me what was the 0-60 of the BMW M3 E46 ?
Here is something to help you incase you feel lazy
http://www.zeroto60times.com/BMW-Bim...mph-Times.html

Now can someone be the judge here?
What is the point of M3 is i supposedly don't get the point?

Please check out the link below and compare 0-100 kph, 0-1000 m, and 80-120 kph times:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/attachm...9&d=1285116925

Clearly you don't get it.

Have you driven both cars? The answer to this question is obvious...

gthal · 10-28-2011, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dbarnes

Please check out the link below and compare 0-100 kph, 0-1000 m, and 80-120 kph times:
http://www.m3post.com/forums/attachm...9&d=1285116925

Clearly you don't get it.

Have you driven both cars? The answer to this question is obvious...

His own link shows the current generation M3 to be much faster than the E46 generation... I really don't see his issue other than his own confusion on this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nokia3310

Now can someone please tell me what was the 0-60 of the BMW M3 E46 ?
Here is something to help you incase you feel lazy
http://www.zeroto60times.com/BMW-Bim...mph-Times.html

OK... OP, find the 2004 E46 M3 competition package in your link above. It says 4.6s. Now, move down 5 lines to the 2008 M3 (current generation car). It says 4.0s. No need to read anything else. Now is it clear?

quads · 10-28-2011, 09:31 PM

Quotes from wiki on the 2011 m3:

"Recent testing by Car and Driver magazine has shown that the 2011 M3 equipped with an M-DCT transmission accelerated from 0–60 mph in 3.9 seconds and went on to record a 12.4 second quarter mile time."

car and driver source: http://archive.caranddriver.com/var/...af8a28559a.pdf

chris s · 10-28-2011, 09:34 PM

Lol @ this thread!

gthal · 10-28-2011, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris s

Lol @ this thread!

No kidding... what's worse is I allowed myself to completely destroy 15 minutes of my life reading and responding to it

I always tell myself to just not get involved and then...

M3SQRD · 10-28-2011, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gthal

His own link shows the current generation M3 to be much faster than the E46 generation... I really don't see his issue other than his own confusion on this.

I know but didn't want to be accused of being "lazy"

I can fully understand someone preferring a certain generation of M3 over another one but in this case he's clearly confused and I'm not sure what point he's trying to make?

M3SQRD · 10-28-2011, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gthal

No kidding... what's worse is I allowed myself to completely destroy 15 minutes of my life reading and responding to it

I always tell myself to just not get involved and then...

Yep, same here...

1MOREMOD · 10-28-2011, 10:34 PM

what a tool.

w00tw00t · 10-28-2011, 11:01 PM

troll in da house!

twboy1999 · 10-28-2011, 11:24 PM

e9x m3 will butt rape e46 m3

nokia3310 · 10-28-2011, 11:26 PM

LOL...more funny that i thought

well i knew you guys will ignore the BMW official time.
And really the thing about it you guys all know what i am referring to. This is not the first time we see newer cars slower than previous cars, but for the purpose of deceiving yourselves you try to ignore that fact.

But hey the real reason i started this thread was actually because i watch some video of some modded M3 to like 700+ HP and heard them say something like 0-60 in 4.1 seconds and i was like WTF!

So again i checked BMW official time and i was flabbergasted as well, so you can really ignore all these.
Also just so you guys know, the Nissan GTR is 530HP and 6 cylinder V6 and destroying several V10 cars with humongous HP...so tell me exactly what is going on.
That exactly is what made me start the thread. And the thing about it is if BMW will brag and hype their M line they should at least stand up to the name with some crazy time...not some barely sub 5 second 0-60.
A old camaro does that easy. Cars like Nissan GTR are what we need nowadays, without no hype but facts.

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nokia3310 New Member 10 Rep 22 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Why 333HP is as fast as 420HP??? I am just curious here beacsue i am just annoyed with automotive companies for making slow cars. How in hell is a 333HP M3 be as fast as the newer 420HP M3? They both do 0-60mph in 4.6s. SO i don't get it. What the hell is going on, is engineering deteriorating or something? Just freaking annoying. A freaking old as hell camaro will do almost that time. So what is the whole point of the M in the M3 and all the hype when it can't even do sub 4???
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gthal Major General 1904 Rep 5,678 Posts Drives: 2018 340i xDrive Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Canada iTrader: (2)	Can't tell if you are trolling or not but let's assume you aren't. First, the E92 M3 with 414hp is notably faster than the E46 M3 with 333hp. Your numbers are not correct. So your assertion that there is no difference in performance is just wrong... you need to check your info sources. Second, there are very few sub 4 sec cars out there and none (other than, maybe, a C63 with P31 package) in the M3s price range. If you are looking for a sub 4 sec car, the M3 is not for you and you are missing the point of the M3 entirely.
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Darth One drunk poster 6613 Rep 3,649 Posts Drives: M4 GTS \| E46 M3 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: FL iTrader: (0)	Yep, shame on BMW. They should know that car buyers blindly make their decisions based on 0-60 times and absolutely nothing else. Just the other day I saw a Bentley Continental GT owner just straight up hand his keys over to a used Mustang owner in the parking lot, because the Mustang owner showed him a stained cutout motor trend page that showed the Mustang 0-60 was lower
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nokia3310 New Member 10 Rep 22 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	According to BMW http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...ical_data.html 0-60 of new BMW M3 Coupe with 420 HP (http://www.bmw.com/com/en/newvehicle...engine/v8.html) is 4.6 (M DCT) and 4.8 (manual) Now can someone please tell me what was the 0-60 of the BMW M3 E46 ? Here is something to help you incase you feel lazy http://www.zeroto60times.com/BMW-Bim...mph-Times.html Now can someone be the judge here? What is the point of M3 is i supposedly don't get the point?
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nokia3310 New Member 10 Rep 22 Posts Drives: M3 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	LOL...more funny that i thought well i knew you guys will ignore the BMW official time. And really the thing about it you guys all know what i am referring to. This is not the first time we see newer cars slower than previous cars, but for the purpose of deceiving yourselves you try to ignore that fact. But hey the real reason i started this thread was actually because i watch some video of some modded M3 to like 700+ HP and heard them say something like 0-60 in 4.1 seconds and i was like WTF! So again i checked BMW official time and i was flabbergasted as well, so you can really ignore all these. Also just so you guys know, the Nissan GTR is 530HP and 6 cylinder V6 and destroying several V10 cars with humongous HP...so tell me exactly what is going on. That exactly is what made me start the thread. And the thing about it is if BMW will brag and hype their M line they should at least stand up to the name with some crazy time...not some barely sub 5 second 0-60. A old camaro does that easy. Cars like Nissan GTR are what we need nowadays, without no hype but facts.
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