whats the deal w/ smg vs manual?

ducati955 · 09-30-2006, 05:55 PM

i have been looking for a used white m3(02-03) and i have found several but all smg... i hate not having manual.... how is the drive on this thing compared to having stick? thanx

Greeney · 09-30-2006, 06:59 PM

SMG is an autimated manual with a clutch driven by hydraulics. Shifts are pretty quick with it.

BMW320i · 10-01-2006, 02:07 PM

never driven a car with SMG, but most comments say its pretty fast, much closer to manual than step., and it's pretty FAST!!!
but still misses the excitement and feeling of the manual...

for me, i would take it

Ray · 10-04-2006, 12:26 AM

If it doesn't have a clutch pedal, it's an automatic. Automotive technology, SMG, DSG, etc., is just killing the art of driving.
I love AT's if my sole objective is to drive from point A to point B, but fun and excitement for me can only be had with a MT.

BMW320i · 10-04-2006, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ThreeThirtyEye

If it doesn't have a clutch pedal, it's an automatic. Automotive technology, SMG, DSG, etc., is just killing the art of driving.
I love AT's if my sole objective is to drive from point A to point B, but fun and excitement for me can only be had with a MT.

hmmmmmm

i kinda agree with u...

but with DSG, guys chose suto not just to make it from point A to B, they also take it cuz its faster than MT...

and i heard SMG is pretty quick too...

Ray · 10-04-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BMW320i

but with DSG, guys chose suto not just to make it from point A to B, they also take it cuz its faster than MT...

and i heard SMG is pretty quick too...

Yeah, you're right. But even if the AT shifts faster then any human can possibly shift, the fun is removed. I would sacrifice speed for driving excitement anytime. Even if it shaves off half a sec on the quarter mile.

SP330 · 10-04-2006, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ThreeThirtyEye

Yeah, you're right. But even if the AT shifts faster then any human can possibly shift, the fun is removed. I would sacrifice speed for driving excitement anytime. Even if it shaves off half a sec on the quarter mile.

Same here.

ward · 10-04-2006, 03:45 PM

if it doesn't have a torque converter, it's not an automatic

but I agree it's not the same as having a manual

Ray · 10-04-2006, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ward

if it doesn't have a torque converter, it's not an automatic

Ok, you make a good point.

txusa03 · 10-05-2006, 11:59 AM

If you have to ask, just get the freaking stick

and save yourself $ for mod. Well, if you are looking at m3, you have a heavy wallet so you pro don't care about saving $.

shragon · 10-05-2006, 04:21 PM

i drove my friend's, which is smg. i liked it with the paddle shifters. go test drive one and see how you like it.

i've also test driven an a3 with dsg. another good system.

bavarian19 · 10-05-2006, 06:22 PM

While I agree with the statements that its not an auto and not a manual, it is closer to a manual than automatic.

I really dont get the argument of 'its a quicker change' in any transmission debate. 90% of us in here are not professional drivers, and it probably is quicker shifting in an auto. But you dont get the driving pleasure from the auto like you do in a manual...

I say drop the argument. Every person is going to prefer something different, so lets all enjoy what we have chosen...

shimshimhada · 10-05-2006, 06:30 PM

SMG is okay, 6 speed ftw though.

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bavarian19 General 517 Rep 18,858 Posts Drives: Car Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: VA iTrader: (23)	While I agree with the statements that its not an auto and not a manual, it is closer to a manual than automatic. I really dont get the argument of 'its a quicker change' in any transmission debate. 90% of us in here are not professional drivers, and it probably is quicker shifting in an auto. But you dont get the driving pleasure from the auto like you do in a manual... I say drop the argument. Every person is going to prefer something different, so lets all enjoy what we have chosen...
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