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      05-06-2021, 06:17 PM   #23
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He's probably a millionaire, cars sell for 5X more than US in Singapore.
Not only that, he needs a COE (Certificate of Entitlement) for each of them. It's a quota licence to own a vehicle and it would cost anywhere from $40-100k SGD.

Currently, a 2021 M3 Comp including COE costs $460,000 SGD ($344,000 USD).

A Rolls-Royce Phantom costs $2,088,888 SGD ($1.5 million USD).

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He's probably a millionaire, cars sell for 5X more than US in Singapore.
Not only that, he needs a COE (Certificate of Entitlement) for each of them. It's a quota licence to own a vehicle and it would cost anywhere from $40-100k SGD.

Currently, a 2021 M3 Comp including COE costs $460,000 SGD ($344,000 USD).

A Rolls-Royce Phantom costs $2,088,888 SGD ($1.5 million USD).
But how many people can afford this type of luxury in Singapore? What's the percentage roughly? Thanks!
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      05-06-2021, 06:49 PM   #25
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To own any car in Singapore is insane. I miss that region of the world. Richard Mille watch....curious to see what else he has in the garage now!
My family and I spent a few days over there in 2019 for business/pleasure. Our local friends were telling us how much it cost to own and register a car over there. It was shocking. Ironically, we stayed in the financial district and we saw lots of Crazy Rich Asian cars driving around.
From memory, I think they have the odds and evens plate system like Manila too? You can only drive on certain days depending on your number plate.
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To own any car in Singapore is insane. I miss that region of the world. Richard Mille watch....curious to see what else he has in the garage now!
In Singapore, we have regular cars, off peak cars and classic cars. The regular cars you can drive 24/7 while off peak cars (OPC) only for weekdays 7pm to 7am and full days on weekends. OPCs are red plated registration and also allowed full days on public holidays. Finally classic cars 35 years and older can be driven 45 days a year. Classic cars owners can also opt to keep their car drivable 24/7 by renewing the COE based on 3 month prevailing quota premium rates of regular COE). For example a 1.6l car and below renewing for 10 years is around SGD44K / USD33K for May 2021! Above 1.6l is currently around SGD50K / USD37.5K!
The difference is all these car categories are tax differently and fixed running such as road tax, COE (certificate of entitlement are bidded and renewed every 5 or 10 yrs) and insurance are different. Those who opted for 5 years renewal will have to scrap when it expires while those who renewed 10 years are allowed to renew again and again. There is ERP or electronic road pricing on certain times when you drive pass certain roads and highways, a toll is deducted automatically from an IU unit with stored valued card or linked to a credit card).

In a nutshell, I just gave a general situation and cost of driving here. The roadtax cost involved is based on displacement. For example, a Ferrari 488 will need to pay a SGD3.8K / USD2.85K yearly.
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I watch these types of videos and read posts about owners who love their cars for the same reasons I do - only to come away depressed that my tax dollars are being used to promote electric vehicles - the so-called future.

While I don't have a problem with electric vehicles per se, I don't want ICE to go away, nor do I care for neutered marquee cars like an AMG 63 with a 4cylinder hybrid. I want a v8 roar! And no, this isn't like the horse/buggy giving way to the ICE. That was market forces. There wasn't gov't intervention forcing the change. My 6 year old son always talks of owning a v12, all the cars he draws are v12's as is what he builds out of Legos...provided he can earn the money he too should be able to buy an old m8 E31 v12 and suffer the horrors of ownership yet enjoying the occasional afternoon in the twisties where everything works The problem will be registration or the lack thereof many years from now.

The tech involved in electric and hybrid is quite impressive to be frank. That said, the notion that v8's and even i6's will be collectors cars just rubs me raw given that I don't want that yet I'm paying for precisely that.
I dont think ICE cars will ever go away. I think it will move to a niche market for enthusiasts. I look at it much like the "Quarttz Crisis" in the watch making industry in the mid 70s. It just about ended mechanical watch making craftsmanship and the Swiss watchmaking industry almost went belly up...but it pulled through and now mechanical watches are sought after by watch collectors and aficionados and live happily together in the same market space with quartz watches. There can be room for both.
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EVs are a lie

They have greater negative impact on the environment in manufacturing
And the electricity to charge them up with is generated primarily via fossil fuels!
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EVs are a lie

They have greater negative impact on the environment in manufacturing
And the electricity to charge them up with is generated primarily via fossil fuels!
Industry people who acknowledge this truth argue that the net benefit is that power generation and manufacturing is conducted in concentrated areas and in a clean/tech savvy manner which is preferable to every vehicle on the road being a mini smoke stack. People simply accept that and move on too quickly.
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Says video is private now?
Noticed that too. Awesome video before it was taken down!
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EVs are a lie

They have greater negative impact on the environment in manufacturing
And the electricity to charge them up with is generated primarily via fossil fuels!
Don't forget the high levels of EMF they expose the occupants to.
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They have greater negative impact on the environment in manufacturing
And the electricity to charge them up with is generated primarily via fossil fuels!
Spot on! Electricity now is mostly generated via fossil fuels. Using that to charge up the EV, indirectly contributing to the carbon accumulation.
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Spot on! Electricity now is mostly generated via fossil fuels. Using that to charge up the EV, indirectly contributing to the carbon accumulation.
But it make people feel good. Apparently, that's all it matters these days.
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Spot on! Electricity now is mostly generated via fossil fuels. Using that to charge up the EV, indirectly contributing to the carbon accumulation.
But it make people feel good. Apparently, that's all it matters these days.
Society seems to have become superficial these days. Environmentalists take transport burning fossil fuels all over the world to advocate environmental protection. Weird world these days.
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