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Go drive your srt-4 toolbag. Audi plays catch-up with BMW, bmw will always be a more respected car company among true drivers. P.S. The new m3 is much much better then the rs4, the last m3 was barely slower despite its 100 hp differential with newer rs4 (which was clearly engineered to beat the m3) The new m3 which has similar power to the RS-4 destroys the audi. |
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02-01-2009, 11:00 PM | #68 | |
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100k M3s a year?! Comeon check your facts before writing an article. BMW sold about ~1.4 million cars in 2008, so the author is saying 1 in 14 cars will be and M3? Comeon... a kid can figure this out. What a waste of time. |
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RS4 is not better than M3 as far as performance goes. However RS4 is one of the only hot sedans with four wheel drive and thats the special thing about it. C63 and RS4 are good copies of M3 and each has their own market and attracts their own crowd of people. Yet almost everyone who is knowledgable about cars will admit that the M3 is the best performance car in its sector of the market.
Regarding the E92 being not as good as the E46 I have to say the E46 was very very good car but the E92 is even better on every aspect. However the E92 is not as enaging and interactive as the E46 but it is definitely a lot faster. Personally i do prefer the E46 but its just me.
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02-05-2009, 10:56 AM | #72 |
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I am also surprised why so many people are disappointed with the M3 because IT IS a much better car than before, the biggest problem the M3 has is that the competition has caught up and in one case far exceeded it.
I don't think the current RS4 is a better driver's car but it is a much better overall car if you don't value tail out entertainment as the number one priority. The same is true for the C63, it too is a better daily drive but falls apart when pushed to the same extremes as you can do with the M3. The only car which easily out classes the M3 is the mighty GTR but then it was never built to take on the M3, it had it's sights set on much bigger fish to fry but Nissan priced it so competitively that potential M3 customer also ended up as it's competition as well. The problem is that some people's expectations were too high. |
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You openly admit that entertainment is your top priority so anything I would write to explain that position would be irrelevant in your opinion. But you are right in thinking that part of it would be down to it having Quattro, in the same way as part of the reason for the same comments on the C63 is partly down to the fact of it's incredibly torquey engine. |
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02-06-2009, 09:02 AM | #75 |
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Footie, a C63 is an excellent car, but I don't want an automatic transmission.
Otherwise I 'd have bought a C63. The RS4 is not a better DD than a M3, because it's heavier, slower, less agile, and has a less responsive chassis. My 335i stock was almost as fast, only beyond 240kmh the RS4 was faster. The roadholding is ok, but a bit boring for such a car. Any more questions? |
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02-06-2009, 01:48 PM | #76 |
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having been lucky enough to drive an e92 M3 and an C63 (with performance pack) back to back last summer.
The C63 felt a more advanced package, like a touring car with a huge amount of torque..... I love M3's and am currently E46 M3 owner....... Saying that... On a track the M3 (in fact previously someone mentioned an evo/sti/skyline would be a quicker track toy.....well not faster than a E92 M3...they are quick) would be quicker aroudn would whip the C63, but driving a C63 in anger around Italy going through concrete underpasses and kicking down producing the fab V8 noise....it was like nothing else.... The new E92 M3 hadnt felt as fast driving it day to day, and with the torq rolled off to make the engine rev higher for more BHP....it felt like a civic type R in its character....does that make sense??? High reving V8....it also hadnt felt a leap in development over the E46. Take the new GTR, thats where BMW should be near....leading the pack... downside to the c63, yes the gearbox RS4 looks like a 1.9 tdi dressed up how did i get to italy from the UK?? - well in an M5 2001, so Im kind of biased to torq on that journey....... |
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02-06-2009, 04:31 PM | #77 | |
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I wouldn't agree that the RS4 is not a better DD than the M3, in the dry the M3 is easily the more rewarding to drive while in the wet the reverse is true with the RS4 offering more performance and ability to be still driven briskly. I can that a draw or at the very least a decision that depends on which you value more. There is area where the M3 excels and other where both the RS4 and C63 are better but each perform and excel at different disciplines, the M3 in it's entertainment, quality of chassis and excitement of pushing to the redline, the C63 with it's effortless speed, space and it's advantage/disadvantage of having a proper automatic, the RS4 has it's all weather ability, added traction and exclusivity. But lets get back on topic and discuss this disappoint of the E9? M3. I don't know about you but I have spoke to many M3 owners and none have been disappointed with their purchase, myself included. I doubt there is too many if any would feel different than that on this or any forum which leds me to believe it's non E9? M3 drivers who are the ones complaining, probably 335 owners no doubt. |
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Wintertyres> AWD. Back ontopic |
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02-07-2009, 04:27 AM | #79 | |
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At what point will do move back on to topic. |
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02-07-2009, 04:50 AM | #80 | |
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AWD in our part of EU is unnecessary and a bit boring imo. But we keep going around in circles(//M style), sorry about that. Cheers Robin |
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02-07-2009, 05:01 AM | #81 | |
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I suppose coming so recently from the latter I am feeling the blues owning the M3, having all that ability and unable to use it. Hopefully the summer will cure me of my winter blues. |
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03-09-2009, 06:19 PM | #82 | |
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omg i have been saying this for the longest time everrrr... i just get flamed for it everytime.. |
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I find more and clean e46 M4 lately, seems like folks are getting these nostalgic beasts at a drastic reduced price
... Im tempted to get one myself for my DD |
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This guy is a jerk off...probably one of those guys who bases a car's performance on one trip around the block.
Not sure why so many love to hate on the M3...it's a bad ass car and outperforms 97% of the cars out there. Yes, the GTR outperforms an M3 in terms of performance...then again, a GTR also outperforms a $225,000 F430. At the end of the day....the M3 will wipe the floors with almost any car out there, it looks amazing, the build quality is great and the luxury is awesome. I can take it to the track out of the box but also pick up a client or drive the boss to a meeting the very next day. The only ones who talk $hit about the M3 are those who have never driven one or cannot afford one. If I wanted an SRT4 or an STI I would buy one (or two, three)...actually I had an STI and a G35 and drove my brothers 350Z all the time. I've driven my buds 360 Modena and drove in many of 911TT...and yes, the M3 is badass. |
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As a dentist I support the new M3 fully....
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