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      11-28-2020, 12:37 PM   #705
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Hi all, apologies if my brain cells aren't crisp today, but can someone tell me what is the current expected timeline for an X5 major redesign?
(I currently have a 2012 -!- one that looks/feels/acts brand new and will look to trade it one year from now).
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      11-28-2020, 05:31 PM   #706
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Hi all, apologies if my brain cells aren't crisp today, but can someone tell me what is the current expected timeline for an X5 major redesign?
(I currently have a 2012 -!- one that looks/feels/acts brand new and will look to trade it one year from now).
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My bet would be mid-2022.
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      11-28-2020, 05:39 PM   #707
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My bet would be mid-2022.
The current G05 X5 launched in Nov 2018 for MY 2019.

2022 may bring an LCI Refreash, but it wont be any major redesign.
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      11-28-2020, 05:43 PM   #708
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The current G05 X5 launched in Nov 2018 for MY 2019.

2022 may bring an LCI Refreash, but it wont be any major redesign.
Right sorry, I was talking about the LCI.

EOP of the current G05 X5 is clearly marked as 7/26 in the top post, which implies that the successor (if any, but it's hard to fathom that BMW would drop their X5 cash cow) will launch at that time as well.
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      11-28-2020, 06:52 PM   #709
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      11-30-2020, 03:52 AM   #710
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i4 update, unfortunately pretty sparse, which is the new normal.
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      11-30-2020, 02:15 PM   #711
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BMW officials have said in the recent past that the current engine lineup is the very last. There will be continued electrification in the form of both mild hybrid and PHEV setups. But don’t expect any wholly new engines.

In fact, some engines may soon be phased out. For example, there are signs that the N63 won’t be around long enough to be hybridized. Instead, the upcoming electrified S63 (which will get a name change to S68) could be the only V8 for the next generation, while everything below might be a B58 (or perhaps S58) hybrid. This is not yet confirmed, however.
With the rumours of the 1.5t being phased out in the near future, there's nothing to replace the entry level engines in the Mini and Euro BMWs?

I had a F56 Mini Cooper with the 1.5t. It was a really fun engine, albeit not very good. I always liked to call it a half sized M3 cause logically it's a S55 chopped in half (I know it doesn't work that way)

I'm not surprised there will be no "pedestrian" V8 since those would be replaced by a hybrid 6.
The continual downsizing continues, and I actually prefer hybridizing than turboing.
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      11-30-2020, 05:00 PM   #712
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Very strange that the G26 430i xDrive will not be among the models offered at launch, instead being delayed into 2022. I would have expected the B48 + AWD to be the most popular configuration in the US.
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      11-30-2020, 09:10 PM   #713
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On a more general note, looking at all the information available to me I can't shake the feeling that we're at the end of active development of internal combustion engines, at least for mass market vehicles. There will of course be some advances and improvements but even the future generations of BMW vehicles (right now I'm looking specifically at the new transverse platform, the Minis and the 1-series) are going to use the same well known engines we see in various models today.
Eeeenteresting...I wonder how far along BMW would be if they poured resources into this while they were ahead of the game with the i3 years ago. What could have been...
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      11-30-2020, 10:55 PM   #714
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Very strange that the G26 430i xDrive will not be among the models offered at launch, instead being delayed into 2022. I would have expected the B48 + AWD to be the most popular configuration in the US.
430i with cca 258HP is too weak for X-drive IMHO
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      12-01-2020, 01:42 AM   #715
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430i with cca 258HP is too weak for X-drive IMHO
E30 325iX will respectfully disagree.
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      12-01-2020, 04:20 AM   #716
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Very interested in the G07 X7 LCI. Listed in the first post here as start of production in 8/22, for MY2023. But we're already seeing multiple LCI spyshots, so that seems quite off in the future. Could the LCI be moving up to MY2022?
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      12-01-2020, 06:07 AM   #717
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Very interested in the G07 X7 LCI. Listed in the first post here as start of production in 8/22, for MY2023. But we're already seeing multiple LCI spyshots, so that seems quite off in the future. Could the LCI be moving up to MY2022?
Sorry, if I missed it but is there an all electric G20 on the way?

https://www.bmwblog.com/2020/11/03/b...ng-camouflage/
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      12-01-2020, 07:24 AM   #718
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430i with cca 258HP is too weak for X-drive IMHO
E30 325iX will respectfully disagree.
E30 has 500kg less.
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      12-01-2020, 08:21 AM   #719
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430i with cca 258HP is too weak for X-drive IMHO
It may not be to your taste - fair enough.

But the B48 powered vehicles - the X3 30i, X4 30i, 330i, 430i and 530i - sell in huge volume. Certainly far more than their B58 powered M Performance siblings (though the 540i is probably similar volume to the 530i). Of course, many of these are sold to people living below the snow belt (who don't need AWD and may be attracted by the pricing of a relatively stripped down vehicle), but there are likely to be almost as many sold to people living further north, the majority of whom choose AWD in today's market.

Another way to look at it - the M*40i models are definitely not driving the market in AWD BMW sales. It's the lesser sibling.

Now the Gran Coupe may be more of a southern state model for whatever reason (anecdotally, I don't see many up here compared to the others I listed), and that could be why. But it is definitely not because most folks in the north think BMW's four cylinder is underpowered. If they did then BMW's sales would surely tank and they'd rectify the problem with a B48B20T1 (which doesn't exist - only the "A" variant does) or something similar.
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      12-01-2020, 09:43 AM   #720
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It may not be to your taste - fair enough.

But the B48 powered vehicles - the X3 30i, X4 30i, 330i, 430i and 530i - sell in huge volume. Certainly far more than their B58 powered M Performance siblings (though the 540i is probably similar volume to the 530i). Of course, many of these are sold to people living below the snow belt (who don't need AWD and may be attracted by the pricing of a relatively stripped down vehicle), but there are likely to be almost as many sold to people living further north, the majority of whom choose AWD in today's market.

Another way to look at it - the M*40i models are definitely not driving the market in AWD BMW sales. It's the lesser sibling.

Now the Gran Coupe may be more of a southern state model for whatever reason (anecdotally, I don't see many up here compared to the others I listed), and that could be why. But it is definitely not because most folks in the north think BMW's four cylinder is underpowered. If they did then BMW's sales would surely tank and they'd rectify the problem with a B48B20T1 (which doesn't exist - only the "A" variant does) or something similar.
I don't think that 430i is underpowered. It is pretty good engine. Very potent. But. X-drive with non M cars kills BMW driving feeling to me.
X drive train weights cca 90kg on the front axle. Plus there are additional transmission loses. All in all different car. Although it is good for places with lot of snow during winter.
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      12-01-2020, 12:15 PM   #721
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I don't think that 430i is underpowered. It is pretty good engine. Very potent. But. X-drive with non M cars kills BMW driving feeling to me.
X drive train weights cca 90kg on the front axle. Plus there are additional transmission loses. All in all different car. Although it is good for places with lot of snow during winter.
If that 420d in the profile is correct, I would suggest we have a case of people in glass houses v. stones.
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      12-01-2020, 12:15 PM   #722
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With i4 launching in late 2021, BMW has to deliver a car which will be not only competitive but hopefully a new leader in its market segment. Sales statistics will tell the full story.
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      12-01-2020, 12:30 PM   #723
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If that 420d in the profile is correct, I would suggest we have a case of people in glass houses v. stones.
Yes. 420d is current. Underpowered but drives as BMW. Light nose, 50:50 weight per axle and rear wheel drive.
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      12-01-2020, 12:32 PM   #724
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i4 update, unfortunately pretty sparse, which is the new normal.
Since it's seem like EV are gaining quickly, do you think that it might be easier to import a wider range of models based on EV platform to the North American market compared to their ICE variant?
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      12-01-2020, 12:40 PM   #725
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Since it's seem like EV are gaining quickly, do you think that it might be easier to import a wider range of models based on EV platform to the North American market compared to their ICE variant?
It does seem so. Right now every electric variant BMW is planning to make has a US version.
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Hey, ynguldyn,

Any news about the i3 update mentioned here?

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On my second i3 now an i3S. The rumours of its demise have been exaggerated. Another update is expected.
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