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Nelson, mine is a F22
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Man. I'm sooooo tempted by this. Even at regular price this is a good deal if the upgrades (more power, higher S/N ratio, DSP, etc.) are legit -- and they appear to be.
Question: how does this unit play with the ASD (Active Sound)? I'm fairly certain that its hardware implementation relative to the OEM amp is different from model to model, so I'm curious ... ... ahhh. Just read some of the review threads. It appears that ASD must be coded off for this to work properly -- and the Fischer DSP software appears to be Windows/PC only, correct?. So, basically, the hardware is PnP, but the operation isn't, quite. For my application ... no thanks.
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The 2 series HIFI system is the worst OEM system BMW sells. I created a tune for it last week and couldn't believe that it doesn't even have tweeters. Coding the ASD off is a minor trade off compared to how much better the sound system is going to be...
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However, for those of us who have not coded our cars and/or who do not have ready access to a PC or Windows (I use Apple exclusively; many reasons for that), this system is not PnP. For reference: I ran into the same issue when shopping for a good mid-fi A/V receiver for home use. Generally, the best room-correction software is made by Anthem, a Canadian company that builds KILLER high-end amplifiers. One of its A/V receivers was No. 1 on my shopping list until I learned that the software was only for Windows. Sure, the receiver would've worked fine without running the software. But it matters in A/V applications -- and I don't have an ASD drone to deal with there as well.
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... But that brings me to what is really my main beef. I work in marketing, and I have an issue with something being marketed as PnP when to operate it requires a quasi-legal modification to a vehicle that only knowledgable enthusiasts will know about, much less attempt. Let's just say that this isn't gonna be something Crutchfield ever puts in its catalog. Just sayin'.
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Here's Crutchfield version... http://www.crutchfield.com/p_975PP82...&awmt=p&awnw=g and here's me working on the custom bracket for it on a 228i |
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Nelson@BimmerTech You have an interesting way of trying to sell these amps by basically saying everything else sucks and yours is the only way. There is a point to be made regarding plug and play, which yours is not, due to having to code out ASD. This is not something that everyone has access to, and quite frankly might not be something everyone wants to get rid of.
I will be upgrading my speakers. I was considering your amp but I don't really like the way you respond to a healthy discussion (with honest opinions) around your product. |
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As far as i know we are having a healthy discussion and i'm just pointing out the differences. To be honest i'm not really a good salesman, thats why i let the reviews do the talking. I'm a hardcore car audio enthusiast first so my passion for it my rub you off incorrectly. Here's my build log http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/...ual-v-2-a.html |
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BTW coding is very easy, all it takes is a laptop and a $20 cable. Just follow the guide in the coding forum (check Pikachu's thread) and you can download all the software etc. you need. The cheat sheets are awesome. It was the first time I've coded, but I found it to be a piece of cake.
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I installed the tweeters and the Focal IFBMW-S kit as I couldn't stand the sound. It is much improved with just the upgraded speakers, but the oem amp is very lacking in power and can't drive the speakers properly.
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If I find the system to be so terrible after the speaker upgrade, I may look to an amp. |
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Also: You can 'let the reviews do the talking' only to a point. It's not wise to let consumer feedback establish a product so strongly for a number of reasons, the least of which is acknowledgment of a product's intended capabilities and applications. The ASD issue is something that affects the vast majority of BMW models your product is intended for; to not acknowledge it in an official capacity amounts to shady marketing and product positioning at a minimum, as explained above. Because coding is frowned upon (and recently made harder to do) by the maker of the vehicle this product is intended for -- no matter how easy it may be -- I'm afraid I feel it's your company's responsibility to acknowledge the issue by repositioning the PnP claim and disclaiming both the ASD/coding issue and the responsibility for issues that may arise from coding the car. Finally: nearly any aftermarket amp, including the JL Audio 600/6, will make ASD louder at stock settings; this has been established as well. Turning gain down on the rear speaker channels to its minimum mostly alleviates the issue, so there is a workaround. No, it's not perfect -- but few aftermarket car stereo applications in this day and age are.
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Nelson@BimmerTech Is there a way you can tune your amp to play nice with the ASD as Viffermike pointed out? If so, this would solve your PnP issue.
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Technically I am unsure, but I have to assume that it has something to do with the HiFi/HK amp being tuned to handle the ASD frequencies differently. When passing the ASD through a 3rd party amp, it cannot discern what is ASD and what is music or sounds. In turn, the ASD system comes through as being much louder.
If Bimmertech was able to create a tune for the amp to use in conjunction with ASD (which I have to assume is possible), it would make for a true PnP solution, one in which I would have interest in. |
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