[///d]

Originally Posted by vreihen16

Do you remember your first day on the job after graduating from the academy? I'm sure that these two first-day NY State Troopers will! No fatalities, but two of the people in the accident (no names published or whether the were officers) were transported to the hospital.....

https://hudsonvalleypost.com/flying-...zmat-response/

That front ram bar really took a beating.....



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Thats a good real life reminder for those new troopies to not become complacent and always be aware of their surroundings and the situation.

The MN State Trooper Academy is held on the post where I work. It's entertaining to watch them go through hell. I do, however, get annoyed with how many troopers we have in MN. I can drive all the way across the country and I will see more troopers in MN alone than all other states combined. I'm never doing anything to be concerned about being stopped, but it's ridiculous how many we have on our highways.

[paquet]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

People think less lethal means of apprehension are the end all, be all and firearms are unnecessary. The people who believe that are also the same people who think by watching MMA they suddenly know how to fight by proxy.



I'm glad your friend is okay. Nobody ever wants to be in a shooting. Aside from the potential emotional weight, the department takes your gun, sends you back to psychologist and often there are both criminal and internal investigations opened on the officer(s). The former takes months if the shooting is deemed a righteous shoot; longer if it isn't. The latter is at least a year long process on my department (…and I'm sure it's similar with other departments as well). The whole time you're wondering if you're still going to be employed when the dust settles. It's stressful as fuck!

so much this. i agree with everything you say (even though i've never been in your shoes)
recently read of some incidents here - and the viewpoints from people were quite idealistic (unrealistic)

[///d]

Originally Posted by packet

so much this. i agree with everything you say (even though i've never been in your shoes)
recently read of some incidents here - and the viewpoints from people were quite idealistic (unrealistic)

Issue is, it's very easy to watch a video of an incident and say what you would have done, or what should have happened after the fact. Hindsight is 20/20.

I recall watching a video years ago about a police training facility and range that offered to put civilians through scenarios to see how they would react. Many of them immediately resorted to lethal force before any situational awareness was established or de-escalation was attempted. Every one of them said things happened so fast they didn't have time to think about how to react accordingly.

[Buug959]

What the hell is wrong with some people???

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by LemansE90335xi

What the hell is wrong with some people???

Society's moral compasses are non-existent now. I mean, we have parents willing to do gender reassignment on 5 year olds. It's fucking evil!

[Sedan_Clan]

My partner T/C'd today during a pursuit. Thankfully he wasn't injured badly. He was chasing a reckless DUI suspect.

[Buug959]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

My partner T/C'd today during a pursuit. Thankfully he wasn't injured badly. He was chasing a reckless DUI suspect.

Did he wreck the DUI or an innocent individual who just happened to get in the way?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by LemansE90335xi

Did he wreck the DUI or an innocent individual who just happened to get in the way?

It was a mess. Four separate traffic collisions; the one pictured is where he collided into a civilian driving a work vehicle while pursuing the DUI suspect who crashed half a city block further down the road. The suspect was arrested and had a gun. Bittersweet "victory" for us.

[Buug959]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

It was a mess. Four separate traffic collisions; the one pictured is where he collided into a civilian driving a work vehicle while pursuing the DUI suspect who crashed half a city block further down the road. The suspect was arrested and had a gun. Bittersweet "victory" for us.

Yeah it sucks for all involved. I hope everyone is ok and the DUI gets the book thrown at him/her. With all the buses, taxis, ubers and friends/family there is absolutely no excuse for driving under the influence. None.

[Reborn_]

assuming this was an illegal gun, id call it a win even with the unfortunate collateral damage. Hope everyone’s ok

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Reborn_

assuming this was an illegal gun, id call it a win even with the unfortunate collateral damage. Hope everyone's ok

He was a felon in possession.

[Reborn_]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

He was a felon in possession.

Figured as much. Glad he's off the street, at least for now. Hopefully he does some real time.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Reborn_

Figured as much. Glad he's off the street, at least for now. Hopefully he does some real time.

Well HE is back out on the streets (….thank you L.A County D.A.), but the gun isn't.

[Fly320s]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Well HE is back out on the streets (….thank you L.A County D.A.), but the gun isn't.

Really? Reckless DUI, fleeing from police, felon in possession of a gun, probably violated his parole, too. The DA let him walk? No bail or low bail?

[bosstones]

Originally Posted by Fly320s

Really? Reckless DUI, fleeing from police, felon in possession of a gun, probably violated his parole, too. The DA let him walk? No bail or low bail?

No kidding! Wtf?!

Glad to hear your partner was okay. How did the bystanders from all the accidents fare?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Fly320s

Really? Reckless DUI, fleeing from police, felon in possession of a gun, probably violated his parole, too. The DA let him walk? No bail or low bail?

Well it gets a little tricky, but ultimately yes. He committed a number of violations that led my deputy partner to believe the suspect was a reckless deuce (…running a stop sign, excessive speeds on surface streets, running a red light, etc.) plus he hit a parked car which was the first T/C. The suspect took off following the hit & run, but my partner wasn't close enough to fully be able to articulate the evasion despite knowing the evasion was actively taking place; the lawyer could've argued a solid case for his client "not knowing" law enforcement was attempting to conduct a stop. The T/C my deputy partner was involved in occurred approximately 4 seconds after the suspect blew the red light at the intersection, so an attorney who watched the footage could insert enough reasonable doubt for a gullible juror to believe. A third T/C occurred after the suspect blew the red light; he drove into oncoming traffic and hit another car and drove off. About a half a block from that T/C he threw a gun out of the window (…prompting an article search that recovered the firearm), hit a concrete curb and fled into a house, effectively becoming a barricaded suspect. While we were dealing with the 3 T/C's, other personnel were dealing with the barricaded situation which lasted about 30-40 minutes. The suspect surrendered and was found to be intoxicated, but now he could argue he was drinking for those 30-40 minutes; more deniability. A records check revealed the suspect to be on parole/probation. He was arrested for the gun possession, but the 3 T/C's, etc. will include the other charges. It's a cluster! Mind you, from genesis to pursuit termination was literally 3 minutes. It all happens very fast. He was cited out on the gun possession charge because, well, this is L.A. County.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by bosstones

No kidding! Wtf?!

Glad to hear your partner was okay. How did the bystanders from all the accidents fare?

We had crowds of people observing and recording. I'm sure plenty of footage is online already.

[Fly320s]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Well it gets a little tricky, but ultimately yes. He committed a number of violations that led my deputy partner to believe the suspect was a reckless deuce (…running a stop sign, excessive speeds on surface streets, running a red light, etc.) plus he hit a parked car which was the first T/C. The suspect took off following the hit & run, but my partner wasn't close enough to fully be able to articulate the evasion despite knowing the evasion was actively taking place; the lawyer could've argued a solid case for his client "not knowing" law enforcement was attempting to conduct a stop. The T/C my deputy partner was involved in occurred approximately 4 seconds after the suspect blew the red light at the intersection, so an attorney who watched the footage could insert enough reasonable doubt for a gullible juror to believe. A third T/C occurred after the suspect blew the red light; he drove into oncoming traffic and hit another car and drove off. About a half a block from that T/C he threw a gun out of the window (…prompting an article search that recovered the firearm), hit a concrete curb and fled into a house, effectively becoming a barricaded suspect. While we were dealing with the 3 T/C's, other personnel were dealing with the barricaded situation which lasted about 30-40 minutes. The suspect surrendered and was found to be intoxicated, but now he could argue he was drinking for those 30-40 minutes; more deniability. A records check revealed the suspect to be on parole/probation. He was arrested for the gun possession, but the 3 T/C's, etc. will include the other charges. It's a cluster! Mind you, from genesis to pursuit termination was literally 3 minutes. It all happens very fast. He was cited out on the gun possession charge because, well, this is L.A. County.

Damn, man. That DA is a shithead. Too fucking scared about his appearance or reelection to do an effective job.

You guys eat shit sandwiches every day and there is nothing that will change that for the foreseeable future.

[cmyx6go]

Hey Sedan - What is the protocol for releasing information to the media on investigations? I know things vary by location. I'm asking because of a murder here in NYC over the weekend. A dog walker found a woman's body in a duffel bag. She was stabbed 60 times.

Anyway, they are now talking about her having affairs, and that she was sitting alone at a bar while her husband and son were out of town. It just doesn't seem right to me. Why release that? The husband and sons just lost their wife and mother to a brutal murder and now all this shit is in the news? It just seems wrong and heartless to me.

Link to story here - https://nypost.com/2022/04/19/nyc-co...-orsolya-gaal/

[///d]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

Hey Sedan - What is the protocol for releasing information to the media on investigations? I know things vary by location. I'm asking because of a murder here in NYC over the weekend. A dog walker found a woman's body in a duffel bag. She was stabbed 60 times.

Anyway, they are now talking about her having affairs, and that she was sitting alone at a bar while her husband and son were out of town. It just doesn't seem right to me. Why release that? The husband and sons just lost their wife and mother to a brutal murder and now all this shit is in the news? It just seems wrong and heartless to me.

Link to story here - https://nypost.com/2022/04/19/nyc-co...-orsolya-gaal/

When has the media ever cared about being heartless?

[cmyx6go]

Originally Posted by ///d

When has the media ever cared about being heartless?

It's just wrong.

[DETRoadster]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

It's just wrong.

Was it the police that released all that info? If she was having an affair or up to some shady stuff, I'd think the police would be quiet about that until they vetted all the folks she was in contact with leading up to the murder, just to rule them out as suspects.