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04-20-2022, 09:29 PM | #2114 |
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Loll on my my friends is some weird Toyota purist and like an internet fanboy stereotype, talks so much shyt on this car because "it's a BMW not a Supra!"
People like this are only cheating themselves. A RWD premium sports car with BMW's excellent B58/ZF powertrain and chassis, unique styling, and sportier steering tuning by Toyota all for $55k? This car is arguably the best bargain premium sports car on the market. Meanwhile people out here driving lame CUVs and trucks for this price.
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Yes, those fools have no idea that the B58 version used in the Supra (not the earlier B58) had strong involvement from Toyota
I would like to see the S58 in the MT GR Supra. While the GRMN version will most likely get the S58, it is really a collectors' car, being too few in numbers and too expensive for most Supra buyers. |
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The 2020 Supra used the B58B30C There was two earlier versions (B58B30M0 & B58B30M1) that are again different. After that, Toyota had input on the engine design that lead to the B58B30C and then the current B58B30O1 |
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04-21-2022, 07:46 AM | #2118 |
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so the newest iteration has more hp/tq than the previous design? what's the difference? pistons/compressions/material?
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04-27-2022, 11:09 PM | #2119 |
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Toyota GR Supra Adds Manual Transmission and Enhanced Drive Dynamics for 2023
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04-27-2022, 11:24 PM | #2120 |
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So everyone that wants a BMW B58 with 6MT can get a… Supra!
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04-28-2022, 09:13 AM | #2121 | |
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04-28-2022, 09:20 AM | #2122 |
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Hey if BMW won't do it, good on Toyota! They're definitely making the best out of this relationship.
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04-28-2022, 11:25 AM | #2123 |
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I don't see the problem as BMW couldn't sell this car as their own as it would cannibalize sales of the M240i/M2. This is a smaller, lighter car with the B58 that now has transmission choices, and no big grill to whine about, so win-win.
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04-28-2022, 01:59 PM | #2125 |
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this is the best bmw sports car available.
just sucks with the current market you need to buy them sight unseen. im not sure if im willing to take that leap of faith. Hopefully toyota improved the weird bmw shifter and clutch feel and deleted the cdv.
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04-28-2022, 02:20 PM | #2126 |
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I never understood this as a problem. Either way the consumer would be buying a BMW(M240i/M2 or Mcoupe). Isn't that the point, keep the costumer in house. In the current scenario they are loosing a customer to Toyota.
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04-28-2022, 03:20 PM | #2128 |
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You are looking at it the wrong way as they aren't losing a customer as these cars are BMW made, rolling off the BMW assembly line and are simply sold out of a different dealer. How could it ever be bad for a BMW to be in the premium car in the showroom of Toyota dealerships all over North America reaching a demographic that may not typically frequent a BMW dealership? BMW would have never entered an agreement to make these cars if it didn't work out in their favour.
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04-28-2022, 05:16 PM | #2130 |
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it would be interesting to see the details of there deal. it had to have been profitable for both. i'm sure just the 'supra' name was a big selling point and more marketable to the younger crowd than an 'm coupe'. the guys who like m coupes are probably in the mid 30s to early 40s now.
toyota seems to be chasing the sports car scene over the last few years. But it seems they can't do it on their own.. or just don't find it profitable to go it alone. So they have a joint venture with subaru on the 86 and one with BMW for the Supra. Lotus also uses toyota engines in the evora/emira/elise for the same reason i guess.
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The new blue is hot. I wonder what’s the equivalent BMW color.
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I never said there shouldn't be a Supra, I just think BMW could easily could have put out a Mcoupe. Both could coexist. You can choose the one without 75 badges. I want a new clown shoe.
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