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      08-01-2020, 05:41 PM   #23
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It's too early to tell, but a decisive defeat of Trump, coupled with the loss of the Senate, will hopefully change the direction of the GOP. Get the stupid freedom caucus asses who's only mission is to not work with Democrats, get them out.

The republican party survived Nixon, and actually became much stronger in the proceeding decade. Hopefully we can return to the Reagan years, before Newt Gingrich perverted so much.

We all need to go vote in our primaries more. And we need to get rid of the lobbying money. The lobbying money ensures that the Republicans, and Democrats, work for the lobbyists and not the people.

This video is an excellent explanation of where we've gone.
Most of the people in this thread don't want to go back. They are actually part of the problem; they love the freedom caucus BS. They love to deify the image of Reagan, but if he existed today they would be calling him a RINO and trying to get him primaried by some QAnon conspiracy theorist. The entire party has been taken over by creatures that crawled out of the cesspool that is 4chan.
Despite many of the usual negative ads, Reagan had an excellent relationship with Ted Kennedy and Tip O'Neil. They worked on and passed what they could agree on, and agreed to disagree what could not agree on.
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"What Republican welfare are you referring to? "

Military spending (i.e. let's bomb some people in a far away land so my district can build more bombs). Ever hear the term "war is health of the state"?

https://www.theamericanconservative....warfare-state/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbe.../#2c02bd4425bf
You responded to one point with something that I can only think is alluding to Afghanistan and/or Iraq. (I'll read the linked articles later) Lot of pros and cons as to whether one or both were completely wrong headed. Both were botched. Did Rummy and Cheney sit back and think let's bolster defense spending by invading Iraq? I kind of doubt it. Did Clinton say the same thing when we bombed Serbia. I certainly doubt it.
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didn't vote for Trump in 2016, but will be in Nov.
Interesting. I didn't vote for him in 2016 either, mostly because I didn't like either choice and didn't feel like standing in a line. As much as I despised Hillary, I didn't think she could do more than a few $100 million of damage (funneled into her own coffers, of course).

My guess is you haven't seen the light of Trump's greatness but seen the absolute lunacy and corruption of today's Democratic Party.
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Most of the people in this thread don't want to go back. They are actually part of the problem; they love the freedom caucus BS. They love to deify the image of Reagan, but if he existed today they would be calling him a RINO and trying to get him primaried by some QAnon conspiracy theorist. The entire party has been taken over by creatures that crawled out of the cesspool that is 4chan.
What the f are you on about? What part of a Reagan platform would most of the people in this thread not want?

What part of the Reagan platform would you be in favor of? Supply side economics? Intermediate ballistic missiles in Europe? Star Wars?

do you even think before you dribble out this stuff?
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Interesting. I didn't vote for him in 2016 either, mostly because I didn't like either choice and didn't feel like standing in a line. As much as I despised Hillary, I didn't think she could do more than a few $100 million of damage (funneled into her own coffers, of course).

My guess is you haven't seen the light of Trump's greatness but seen the absolute lunacy and corruption of today's Democratic Party.
this was my post from the Current/Former Support for Trump thread floridaorange posted:

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Get ready... This is a semi-long one. TL;DR at the bottom

During the 2016 election, I was Anti-Hillary and Meh-Trump. Trump was never going to win (we were told) so I never gave a second thought on how he'd be as Pres. I voted for Gary Johnson as a protest vote, and I aligned more libertarian at the time (this was while I lived in CA, where the vote didn't matter).

When Trump won the election, I was reading in things like Vox/Time/CNN (the MAJORITY of mainstream media) how the 'Muslim Ban' was a white nationalist take over of immigration policy, Trump is Hitler reincarnated, Women were going to loose the right to vote, and minorities should be very very scared.

I was never very invested in national politics, as I don't think they affect your day to day life as much as local politics do. Sure, sometimes you pay more in taxes but mostly things varied little from Admin to Admin.

Then Charlottesville happened. I saw that everyone was claiming that Trump called Nazis and white nationalists very fine people, which was fucking crazy because he never said that. I watched the still often quoted press conference in real time, and heard with my own ears that Trump stated unequivocally that white nationalists and nazi's should be condemned totally, and the media and democrats took a separate phrase out of context and omit the condemnation.

'So maybe Trump isn't a Nazi and maybe he isn't as bad as the media is painting him out to be' was the thought that ran through my head. This was my first Red Pill.

I decided that instead of relying on how someone was reporting something, it's better to go to the source and try to figure it out on my own. I went back to the 'Muslim Ban' and found out that the largest Muslim countries (Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Pakistan, India) were not on the list, so the name was a spin on what the ban was actually designed to do (ban travel from terrorist hot spots).

I won't really get too much more in the weeds on specific examples (Covington Catholic vs CNN was an eye opener), but these two examples of how Trump was portrayed or how his supporters were described didn't fit with reality. I was being lied to, and I knew it with my own eyes and ears. Interacting with Trump supporters also helped break the media narrative for me that they are all racists!

The accomplishments that Trump and his administration have been able to achieve in spite of the following non-exhaustive list is incredible:
  • The most combative/dishonest media I've ever seen in real time. It's propaganda
  • All of the manufactured Hoaxes (Russiagate, Ukraingate, etc)
  • Mueller investigation
  • Judicial activism (nationwide injunctions)
  • Being spied on by the outgoing administration
  • A literal deep state of entrenched un-elected bureaucrats that decided To Resist! instead of quit in order to hamstring the Trump admin because they disagreed with policy.


I don't care about his adultery, I don't care that he stretches the truth while speaking, I don't care that he's not polished, I don't care that he is petty and vengeful, I don't care that he is orange.

The things I care bout are the actual actions his admin has taken that make the world a better place. I won't get into the culture war side of things here, but beating back the socialist encroachment on Americana is a big reason Trump appeals to many people.

Oh - And under his administration, record numbers of human traffickers and child pornographers have been arrested and prosecuted. This isn't some wacko conspiracy theory, it is a demonstrative good that Trump and his DOJ have done.


TL;DR
I'm hoping he gets a second term, and that by then we have a more honest media who report the factual story instead of narrated reality and the rest of the ReSiStAnCe in government has been rooted out. He'd also get a lot done if the Dem's worked with him instead of opposing everything he's ever said.


He also has amazing comedic timing and wit. He's funny
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      08-01-2020, 06:27 PM   #28
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What the f are you on about? What part of a Reagan platform would most of the people in this thread not want?

What part of the Reagan platform would you be in favor of? Supply side economics? Intermediate ballistic missiles in Europe? Star Wars?

do you even think before you dribble out this stuff?
Yes, unlike you, I do have a well-functioning brain.
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Yes, unlike you, I do have a well-functioning brain.
Stay in the Covid thread where you can at least pretend you not an idiot.
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Serious questions for all of you who 'crawled out of the cesspool'
-What about Reagan would you not like today?
-Would you be calling him a RINO and if so why?

I think the left would loathe him today more than they did at the time. Medium range ballistic missiles in Europe, supply side economics, Iran-Contra scandal, etc. The Trump obsessed left is so concerned with what Europe, and more specifically the UK, think about Trump. They must not remember how much Reagan was reviled there when in office. The UK coverage of his funeral was interesting in how much they covered it and were pretty flattering about him.
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Ronald Reagan enjoyed respect and popularity among Europe's leaders such as Margaret Thatcher of England, Francois Mitterand of France, Helmut Kohl of Germany, Benito Craxi of Italy and of course Brian Mulroney of Canada and Yashuhiro Nakasone of Japan.
He wasn't reviled by our allies at all, and enjoyed good working relationships. The same cannot be said of Trump today.
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Ronald Reagan enjoyed respect and popularity among Europe's leaders such as Margaret Thatcher of England, Francois Mitterand of France, Helmut Kohl of Germany, Benito Craxi of Italy and of course Brian Mulroney of Canada and Yashuhiro Nakasone of Japan.
He wasn't reviled by our allies at all, and enjoyed good working relationships. The same cannot be said of Trump today.
Regan was a class act, Trump not so much.
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Ronald Reagan enjoyed respect and popularity among Europe's leaders such as Margaret Thatcher of England, Francois Mitterand of France, Helmut Kohl of Germany, Benito Craxi of Italy and of course Brian Mulroney of Canada and Yashuhiro Nakasone of Japan.
He wasn't reviled by our allies at all, and enjoyed good working relationships. The same cannot be said of Trump today.
Food for thought:

Amidst a surge of nationalism, Trump wants Germany to re-arm more. Is that really that smart?
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Ronald Reagan enjoyed respect and popularity among Europe's leaders such as Margaret Thatcher of England, Francois Mitterand of France, Helmut Kohl of Germany, Benito Craxi of Italy and of course Brian Mulroney of Canada and Yashuhiro Nakasone of Japan.
He wasn't reviled by our allies at all, and enjoyed good working relationships. The same cannot be said of Trump today.
Not comparable as Europe waa under threat of the USSR and it satalight states during thar period. Europe has no real threat and been a terrible allie since the end of the Serbian conflict
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