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      08-01-2020, 10:21 PM   #89
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I dunno about the rest of you but I'm super pumped for this.

Car looks great with some real effort to throw back to the old TypeS styling and if the SH-AWD is tuneable to be rear biased it will be an absolute hoot. Too bad there won't be a manual or DCT.
I'm excited as well.

Acura / Honda has fantastic reliability and getting that long-term reliability with a good amount of power at a lower price than the higher end luxury brands is exactly what they are about.

I do hope TLX is fun to drive. I really loved my 2005 TL. The 2010 TL SH-AWD I had was definitely more luxurious but lost some of the fun.

Of course this car keeps getting bigger and bigger so I shouldn't hold my breath. But I'm glad to see them try something better than the same old bland they've been serving the past 10 years.

It is too bad they didn't stick closer to the Type S Concept but hey, it is still closer than their previous concepts so that's something good.
Acura and Honda reliability is not what it used to be. Check out the latest data.

I had 08tls and it was an understeering pig. Horrid chassis with 70% of the weight over front axle. The engine seized at 72k mi. Also had 03 tls and it was ok dd but another understeering pig. xmsn died at 95k but was covered due to class action law suit.

It seems to me they are using sh awd to mask budget chassis but I'll wait until more details are available. This should have come out 5-7 years ago and they should have developed rwd chasssis by now.
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It seems to me they are using sh awd to mask budget chassis...
What makes you call this a "budget" chassis? Is this purely because it's not RWD, or is there some other reason?
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"Around $45k" for the Type S sounds pretty good considering there probably won't be a lot of expensive options, and this car is larger than a 330i xDrive, and has 100 more HP despite being around the same price.
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It seems to me they are using sh awd to mask budget chassis...
What makes you call this a "budget" chassis? Is this purely because it's not RWD, or is there some other reason?
The benchmark model is audi s4 and not bmw. I am glad they are using unique components and doble wishbone suspension again but the layout is most likely based on fwd architecture with engine over the front axle.

I am more excited about Mazda's rwd I6 platform.
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"Around $45k" for the Type S sounds pretty good considering there probably won't be a lot of expensive options, and this car is larger than a 330i xDrive, and has 100 more HP despite being around the same price.
I'm betting fully loaded it will be 56-60k. Unless Acura does a we can offer S4 performce at G70 prices as that is 54k loaded.
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It seems to me they are using sh awd to mask budget chassis...
What makes you call this a "budget" chassis? Is this purely because it's not RWD, or is there some other reason?
The benchmark model is audi s4 and not bmw. I am glad they are using unique components and doble wishbone suspension again but the layout is most likely based on fwd architecture with engine over the front axle.

I am more excited about Mazda's rwd I6 platform.
I was referencing a BMW 330i xDrive because this is a BMW forum, but if for whatever reason you want to pick an Audi, an S Line A4 is their vehicle around the same price and equipment.
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"Around $45k" for the Type S sounds pretty good considering there probably won't be a lot of expensive options, and this car is larger than a 330i xDrive, and has 100 more HP despite being around the same price.
I'm betting fully loaded it will be 56-60k. Unless Acura does a we can offer S4 performce at G70 prices as that is 54k loaded.
Nah- I'll bet Acura won't offer more than ~$5k in options on top of the Type S trim. I don't think you're going to be able to get much over $50k.
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It seems to me they are using sh awd to mask budget chassis...
What makes you call this a "budget" chassis? Is this purely because it's not RWD, or is there some other reason?
The benchmark model is audi s4 and not bmw. I am glad they are using unique components and doble wishbone suspension again but the layout is most likely based on fwd architecture with engine over the front axle.

I am more excited about Mazda's rwd I6 platform.
I was referencing a BMW 330i xDrive because this is a BMW forum, but if for whatever reason you want to pick an Audi, an S Line A4 is their vehicle around the same price and equipment.
Acura is using the Audi as a benchmark in their press materials, hence why he said that, they probably feel like they are more competitive with them rather than BMW or Benz because of the FWD architecture.
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It seems to me they are using sh awd to mask budget chassis...
What makes you call this a "budget" chassis? Is this purely because it's not RWD, or is there some other reason?
The benchmark model is audi s4 and not bmw. I am glad they are using unique components and doble wishbone suspension again but the layout is most likely based on fwd architecture with engine over the front axle.

I am more excited about Mazda's rwd I6 platform.
I was referencing a BMW 330i xDrive because this is a BMW forum, but if for whatever reason you want to pick an Audi, an S Line A4 is their vehicle around the same price and equipment.
Acura is using the Audi as a benchmark in their press materials, hence why he said that, they probably feel like they are more competitive with them rather than BMW or Benz because of the FWD architecture.
yes exactly ... thanks for additional clarification
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It seems to me they are using sh awd to mask budget chassis...
What makes you call this a "budget" chassis? Is this purely because it's not RWD, or is there some other reason?
The benchmark model is audi s4 and not bmw. I am glad they are using unique components and doble wishbone suspension again but the layout is most likely based on fwd architecture with engine over the front axle.

I am more excited about Mazda's rwd I6 platform.
I was referencing a BMW 330i xDrive because this is a BMW forum, but if for whatever reason you want to pick an Audi, an S Line A4 is their vehicle around the same price and equipment.
330xi will be most likey ~150-200 lbs lighter so the numbers may be closer than it appears based on hp only. 330i with lsd may be faster around the ring at ~3500 lbs. I am guessing Acura wlll be ~3900 lbs if not more. BMW also underrates engines as we all know. It will be interesting ...
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