[G30M]

[Efthreeoh]

We have fallen so far...

[x622]

I like how hard they had to cope and come off as positive so they get to keep reviewing cars.


Nice golf kart I guess.

[Ohio Enthusiast]

Originally Posted by x622

I like how hard they had to cope and come off as positive so they get to keep reviewing cars.

Perhaps other reviewers skew their reviews to pander to the manufacturers, but I would say Throttle House don't. They often roast cars for specific things as well as for value for money, and not infrequently their conclusion is "nice car, but not for this money" or "competitor X is better". They become especially picky as the price of a car increases (see their Ferrari reviews, for example).

My take is that Hyundai really did try hard to make a fun car, and I think the consensus across reviews of the Ioniq 5N is thanks to real fun-factor rather than a conspiracy theory.

My main question is does the 5N is fun in the long term and not just on first drive? Does the fun-factor wear off once you explored all the gimmicks and tested all the modes? This is something that is hard to judge without really owning a car long term, and I'd say that compared to regular ICE cars where there is a wealth of experience to draw from and make a reasonable judgment of long-term appeal based on a short drive, the 5N has a fairly unique value proposition and I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that "fun on track for a day" translated to "still fun to own after 5 years".

[x622]

Sir, this car costs as much as the M2 I just bought.

I can tell you which one I'd rather own.

At this price point, if it's meant to be a "toy" and "fun" it's competing with a hell of a lot of used and new cars. For a BEV, sure it's not as boring as a M3P with it's atrocious suspension and ham-fisted lack of configurability due to Lord Elon's decree, but it still is a boring overweight BEV cope-mobile. It's heavy, nearly as much as my X5M, in a smaller package so the consumables are gonna be more expensive, they're running 275/35/21s on it so $$. Brakes we already know are gonna be costly, and lastly the charging aspect is still there. No amount of fake gears, or that atrocious fake "engine" noise will compensate for that. I'd be more interested in a BEV like what the late Ken Block drove - a no compromise brutalist machine that is just fun, but alas nobody wants to make that. The Nevera I drove was a literally 911 TTS snoozefest. Fast, sure, but incredibly boring.

I appreciate that more companies are setting money on fire by making BEVs to appease governments, but I don't anticipate this will sell particularly well, or escape the insane depreciation other BEVs experience. I would anticipate Toyota will sell more S-FR's if they actually bring them to the market and make them available in quantity. Hell I'd even take one just to dick with it.

Also seriously, N? N is what they chose?

[RM7]

Originally Posted by x622

nearly as much as my X5M

That's funny right there. That it doesn't even weigh as much as your BMW suv.

And I think any passengers would rather be in the 4-door. Different market (than your M2).

[lens]

People forget that it costs about 93k CAD taxes in.

It also has a max range of about 400km per charge, and considerably less if you stomp you foot down.


With that price point, you can own a ton of other cars more fun that isn't EV.

Hell you can buy a used F80 and a tesla model 3 together if you wished.

[x622]

Originally Posted by RM7

That's funny right there. That it doesn't even weigh as much as your BMW suv.

And I think any passengers would rather be in the 4-door. Different market (than your M2).

Is it funny? It's within spitting distance.

Here let me help,
It's 500lbs more than a f90 m5
It's a thousand pounds more than my g87
It's more than a thousand pounds more than a g80
It's 800 pounds more than a M3P
It's 800-900lbs more than a CT5V
It's 1200lbs more than a RS3
It weighs the same as a Cayenne Turbo GT or Urus


All brands are guilty of getting heavier, especially with the coming hybrid powertrains that are coming to market but... Can I just get a raw scary electric car that I can get some wheel slip and get sideways in? That has good bones with decent suspension geometry that isn't a cope-box?

Electric can be cool, this ain't it.