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The previous front styling was much more handsome.
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still naturally aspirated?
so how is that lexus continues to produce a hunking 3.5 litre naturally aspirated v6 motor in a mass produced car whereas BMW is relegated to producing all turbo engines?
It must be european emissions regulations... I miss the wonderful naturally aspirated inline bmw sixes...at least you can still get a naturally aspirated big v6 in the lexus if they pair that naturally aspirated v6 with a manual and retain the rwd I would be all over that...despite the mediocre looks |
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https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/ Maybe you would be all over a BMW like this but most people would snicker at the weak engine relative to what other automakers offer in the price range. Lexus gets by due to it's reputation of reliability not cutting edge tech and performance. BMW cannot succeed offering dated products like this. |
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One of the main reasons I traded my 17 IS350 F-Sport for my 340i was because it was just so slow.
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Okay, this IS refresh was lazy, but now they've really dropped the ball. Rumor has it the LC F is cancelled. https://www.autoevolution.com/news/t...ed-145198.html
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The 2-IS refresh with the LEDs looked so clean and timeless. I have the non-F sport model in black and it's such a pleasure to look back at.
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I don't even understand how Lexus has any enthusiasts. They don't make any fun vehicles and there's nothing in the pipeline either. One of my buddies is considering ditching his fanboy status.
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I thought the IS350 and 340i have similar horsepower?
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Don’t fool yourself, the torque is miles different. Those high strung v6s have to rev super high to make any torque, plus the whp/wt (actual dyno) figures are better, but it’s the torque curve that’s the biggest difference.
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Torque less but no slouch.
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It would have been. It was rumored last year that they were dropping an IS-F this year. This was the mock of of what it would have looked like.
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Other thoughts on the current IS: It's extremely quiet. Some of my friends make fun of how quiet it really is. The pro to this is a quiet ride on the inside and when I do decide to get on it, I'm not drawing attention to myself with a loud exhaust. The suspension is pretty stiff and extremely stiff in sport +. Enjoyable but has no soul. Reliable yes, but no means considered a fast car. It seems like the gen3's were slowed down from the gen2's. In order to get the same speed out of the gen3 that was normal out of the gen2's, you have to put it in sport +. |
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So we enthusiasts can put down Toyota, call their cars boring with outdated technology, but they are #1 in the world, bottom line. And if you are wondering why BMW has been softening their cars and ignoring enthusiasts more and more, you can look at Toyota's success to understand why. |
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Side note: a joke among my friends is that Lexus is only reliable because it's user base never uses more than 10% of the motor's rated output. |
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Countless people bemoaning Toyota's decision to carry-over the GR series V6 which on paper has competitive stats... and yet no mention of the reliability issues of the N54, N55, etc. engines that BMW used in the 3-series, or the costs related to those that are borne by owners.
A GR-series V6 will need only basic maintenance (oil changes, plugs, filters) and fuel to run to 300,000km. How many BMW engines can even come close to that level of reliability? Lexus/Toyota customers want that reliability, and don't care so much about 0-60 times or overall HP number, compared to BMW drivers who are more obsessed with stats and tolerate more frequent visits to the service department and out-of-warranty repair costs. Quote:
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0-60 4.9 seconds 1/4 mile 13.5@103.1 Motortrend for the IS-F. 12.9 seconds at 111.4 mph My timeslips for IS350. 13.3@103.2MPH
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