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I've owned multiple EVs. In fact, my first was a Fiat 500e. Then a BMW i3. Then a Chevy Bolt. Believe you me, I didn't believe in the Tesla hype. Then I bought a Tesla. If you never own one, or have gone through the process to buy one, you won't understand. It's not like I haven't bought "viable" EVs before. The i3 was about as unique an experience as one can have with an EV. It was an engineering marvel. The Bolt can travel up to 240 miles without a charge, so in terms of range, it's certainly comparable. But to say that this discussion is 2 questions? Bull. I will tell you this, now. If you're even remotely considering an EV, there's no point NOT giving Tesla the first look. And at that point, you're not convinced you like the Tesla, then an EV is likely not for you. And again, at this point, if you STILL insist on buying an EV, then the ONLY thing on the market that you should even consider is a Porsche Taycan. After owning the Fiat 500e, BMW i3, and the Chevy Bolt for extended time, Tesla is at least 5 years ahead of everyone else. And if you factor in the ownership experience, at least 15 years ahead of everyone else.
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The range is...fine. He has the long range 3 and we started at around 52% IIRC, drove it for about 10 hours and had to charge 3 times. All 3 times we stopped for the duration of a 20-min netflix episode (every charging spot had data service) and after that we were on our way. Battery charge ranged between 92 and 20% over the trip. If we had planned properly and left on a full charge we might've been able to get away with only 1 charging stop....but that's not something we have to plan for 12 hours in advance on a ICE car so why should we have to deal with that complication It's not much of an inconvenience....as long as you're aimlessly driving down the coast for fun with no real schedule or destination. The charging time is really fast at a supercharger, but the exercise of finding one and planning your route around it is annoying. |
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And as far as I know there is no wait currently on a model 3 Not worth the depreciation or the risk of ownership
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Instead, I bought a Ford Focus Electric and it has served me well and met my needs as a daily driver for the two-plus years I've owned it. It gave me the chance to try out an EV for my use cases at a relatively low price point (cost me <$20k). Later this year, I intend to purchase a Ford Mustang Mach E GT to replace the other vehicle in my garage. I decided on the Mach E GT because I believe it will offer better quality than what I could get from competitors, because I like the idea of supporting the local company at this juncture, and because I think it's going to be one hell of a fun vehicle. The reviews of the Mach E have been almost universally positive. By all indications, it's set to become an extremely successful product family for Ford. So nope, no sir. Deciding to buy an EV is not the same as deciding to buy a Tesla product. |
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On another note, I asked my insurance agent how much insurance cost on a model 3 long range. His reply was more than the GT4 I have incoming. What the hell, that can't be right. Are people really paying that for insurance? He also said long range and performance premium is the same, since they are both dual motor. |
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And you can't tell me that a model 3 feels balanced, or that it handles well. And I don't mean being comfortable around town. I mean 9 or 10/10 on the track. One defining question. Have you ever gotten your tesla to slide a corner.... Yeah, I thought not. It's a quick accelerating appliance. As designed. P.S. Looking forward to hear your report on how easy going they are when you need to replace battery when the initial current performance (and hence straight line acceleration) drops by 20%
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Have you ever summoned your M2 to pick you up at the front door? Can you take the hands off the wheel and pedals in heavy traffic? Can you walk up to it with no key (just your cellphone) and drive away? Yeah, I thought not. I buy cars for their primary intended use.
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Porsches tend to have very low insurance rates for their class so it may not be the best comparison. I'd be shocked if it costs more than a Corvette, for example. |
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But to answer your question. No I have not slide MY Tesla Model 3 through a corner at 9/10th on track. I have, however, done so in SOMEONE ELSE’s Tesla Model 3 at speed, on track. One was one of our fellow instructor’s Model 3 RW Long Range. He wasn’t made an instructor at the time, I was his last instructor before he was “made.” I got to drive his car angry. And it didn’t disappoint. It didn’t “wow” because I like my track car to make vroom vroom noises. Would I take my Tesla to a Pacific Region BMW CCA DE? Probably once or twice. That’s just the SOP for being my car (had the i3 or the Bolt or the Fiat had enough range to make it to a local track and finish a session without running out of charge, I would have taken them to the track. In fact, those are the ONLY three cars in my possession that I’ve never taken to the track in the last 20 years). The other was a car belonging to a Tesla engineer that signed up for one of our CCA DEs. I didn’t want to drive that at 9/10th because she was a D student and unlikely to learn or enjoy her car being driven at that speed. But I wrung it out as best as one could in the “C” group (do I need to explain? I will if I have to). Funny thing is, every instructor wanted to take turns on that Tesla. It got driven like the village bicycle that day. But it held up well enough for a fairly early production car. I think for a track car? Doesn’t pass the vroom vroom test. I would never permanently use it for track. But it holds its own agains most sports sedans. With the right tires it’ll hang with an M car for a lap or two. If there’s only one track day left in the world? There’s no way I’d take the Tesla out of the three cars left in the garage. If I’m doing 6-8 weekends again once the COVID thing is done? There’s absolutely no way I’d not use the Model 3 for at least 1 weekend at the track (if it’s the right track, like Auto Club Speedway where there’s 240V plugs available in the garage, or Laguna, or Buttonwillow where there’s a Supercharger near by).
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What would prevent me from buying a Tesla is mainly the fact that they are not interested in a drivers car... the company is setup to run like a software company and ultimately that does not equal drivers engagement nor enthusiasm. The 2nd thing would be overall build quality... as far as electric cars in general... nothing would stop be from buying a Porsche Taycan other than the fact that I cannot afford one.
As far as hate on Elon... well there are at least 50 reasons that I can name right off the bat where dislike for him would be warranted. He is super shady in mind and brought his company to the top due to consistent investor over promises, massive government incentives, a massive California progressive population / Hollywood elite that helped his product and then later hating on that very state that gave him almost everything he had and blackmailing them into leaving for having to pay taxes... talk about being a two faced person. He literally played the system in everyway to take Tesla to the top and ultimately the financials of his company would not have allowed any other to survive. |
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How often are you sliding corners on your way to work? 3 times per week minimum. More so when it's wet or slippery. I have 2 opportunities a day. First is a exit of a roundabout which connects to a increasing radius uphill right hander. Clear view of both sides of the road and what is coming at you. If I nail the exit of the roundabout right, I can keep the drift going well up the hill. Super rewarding feeling. The second is leaving work. There is a private road I take, which had a perfect 90 degree slightly downhill left curve. On the way to work is far too busy, but on the way from work it's mainly people leaving, and traffic is scarce. Riding 9 or 10/10 on the track? 4-5 times per year. Will be more when I get back stateside for sure. Been in the advanced groups for a few years now. Never had a desire to teach millennials how to drive, so never made an effort to be an instructor. Have you ever summoned your M2 to pick you up at the front door? Can you take the hands off the wheel and pedals in heavy traffic? Can you walk up to it with no key (just your cellphone) and drive away? No, never. None of the things you listed cause driver enjoyment, or lead to driver engagement. So no, never even gave any of this any thought or consideration.
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I have driven S, X and 3 at the limit at a test track. I've also had the pleasure of doing the same with many exotics on a closed course. I would rather take a Fiat Abarth around a track than any Tesla. Tracks don't have the infrastructure to support EVs, and they take way too long to charge. And you already reached a conclusion that something is missing from the driving experience. I get EVs as people movers, and they have potential to be more fun in the future. Torque vectoring of a 3 motor EV would be way better than M active diff. But today does not exist. Today's EVs don't come close to offering the driver experience of a good IC sports car.
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