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You sound like the perfect EV customer. You know what you want and you are not deluded that you're saving the planet. I still have to see any post here suggesting people shouldn't be allowed to buy EV's. Remember that what puts a burr under the saddle of a lot of folks is being forced to make a EV purchase. I suspect you would be pretty angry if you were forced to buy a ICE vehicle. |
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Only these ten EVs will qualify for the full federal tax credit in 2024
The rules surrounding the $7,500 federal tax credits for electric vehicles are changing on Jan. 1. Although it helps buyers by allowing dealers to apply the credit as an immediate discount, new restrictions on vehicle manufacturer's suggested retail price and manufacturing will make the shopping list smaller and can drive buyers away from certain brands and models. Only 10 cars are eligible for the full $7,500 tax credit, with one Detroit manufacturer dominating the list. 1. Chevrolet Bolt EV - $26,500 2. Chevrolet Equinox EV - $48,995 3. Ford F-150 Lightning - $49,995 4. Tesla Model 3 Performance - $50,990 5. Chevrolet Silverado - $51,895 6. Tesla Model Y Performance - $52,490 7. Chrysler Pacifica PHEV - $53,425 8. Chevrolet Blazer EV - $60,215 9. Cadillac LYRIQ - $58,590 10. Tesla Model X - $79,990 https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...3ff2ba19&ei=10 BMW, Audi, and Mercedes are not getting the love. Expect BMW to make EV's in Spartanburg? |
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Ford cuts planned 2024 production of electric F-150 Lightning in half
Dec 11 2023 DETROIT — Ford Motor will cut planned production of its all-electric F-150 Lightning pickup roughly in half next year, marking a major reversal after the automaker significantly increased plant capacity for the electric vehicle in 2023. Ford executives have recently said the automaker will match production to demand, as the company cancels or postpones $12 billion in upcoming EV investments. https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/11/f-15...s-in-half.html |
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I'm fine with EV competing in the open marketplace with ICE. But that's not the case. Tesla has a unique situation because it was able to build a proprietary charging network, which gives it a lead over the CSS charging network. But not every EV manufacturer can have its own proprietary network. I look at the legitimacy of EV under the scenario (use case) as if there was no ability to own an ICEV for long-distance road trips (like many EV owners do). Waiting around to charge any longer than 5 minutes is a non-starter for most people. Charging at home is great and makes EV work for a lot of owners, but not everyone owns a dwelling that can provide private overnight charging. ICEV work for everyone regardless of their living arrangement. Any ICEV can be recharged at any time, everywhere, in 5 minutes. Sure, the EV charging retort is "but it takes just a relaxing 30 minutes and I use the time to eat, shit, and relax." Sure you do because you have to. With ICEV you don't have to. 5 minutes, that's it. Most people do not want to give that option up. I don't need to buy or rent or borrow a friend's EV to figure that out and form a rational opinion. |
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pretty much.....I guarantee you the the most vocal people in this thread have probably never even been in an EV let alone had any real seat time in one. a circle jerk of stupidity https://nypost.com/2019/01/17/stupid...d-proud-study/ |
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^ #5301, I have been in an EV. If it wasn't for the hitlerite order to stop making new gas cars after 2035 then maybe a more eloquent discussion would be taking place.
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if you don't know who I'm referring to, you are proving my point.... hint, it wasn't the one you quoted posting nonstop youtube videos of anti-EV propaganda drivel from the usual suspects like it is gospel..... |
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if and when that day ever comes, you can hate EV's all you want, but it is over a decade away and likely won't ever happen....although battery tech by then will probably surpass 600 mile range EV's, quick charging with lower prices and ICE cars won't need a mandate to be discontinued, they will become less and less attractive to a majority of the buying public and EV's will be a majority of the car sales by then anyway....and it's not like Hitler is going to come take your ICE at midnight on Dec 31st 2034 ICE vehicles will still be on the roads long after all of us are dead and gone |
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I've read hours upon hours of EV charging threads on other EV car forums. I've discussed in detail the charging schemes of Tesla ownership with the two people who own the Model 3 and Y. Both are electrical engineers. Both work on a national infrastructure system integration program (I did too along with them). I was a first adopter of the General Electric EV garden tractor in 1973. I have an electric push mower, leaf blower, and chainsaw. I fully understand the EV "thing". The EV cars are range limited and refuel really slow compared to ICEV. The EV lawn equipment is great for short-duration tasks, but ICE lawn equipment run endlessly all day and there is virtually no wait time to refuel. My Echo backpack leafblower runs 3 hours on a tank of fuel nearly WOT the entire time, my Snapper hand held leafblower runs about 10 minutes on its 2.0 AH battery. Last time I used it, it broke the battery - lol. So tell me what circle jerk group I'm in. Last edited by Efthreeoh; 12-12-2023 at 06:17 AM.. |
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Hidden costs: Electric vehicle tires emit 20% more pollution
Specialists have issued warnings that tires, often overlooked in discussions about pollution, release a significant amount of chemicals and microplastics into the environment. Electric vehicle tires, in particular, have been found to produce up to 20% more pollution compared to those on gasoline vehicles. Research company Emissions Analytics conducted road tests and found that under normal driving conditions, a gasoline car sheds around 73 milligrams per kilometer from four new tires. In contrast, a similar electric vehicle sheds an additional 15 milligrams per kilometer – a pollution increase of approximately 20 percent. "From a CO2 perspective, the Tesla is better, but not significantly so. You have to weigh the extra CO2 reduction against the increased tire emissions," said Molden. https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...f3594002&ei=85 |
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If Electric Cars Were Honest - Honest Ads (Tesla EV Parody)
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[QUOTE=Car-Addicted;30728351]If Electric Cars Were Honest - Honest Ads (Tesla EV Parody)
--- It can only be that the EV ads and general EV pro plus propaganda ignores the downside of EV production, as said in the informative vid 70% more carbon produced with the build of an average EV compared to a gas car and would take a decade for it to just even out to be level. Naturally the representatives, probably stooges being told what to say beforehand at the mid east 'climat change' meet have the wool over the eyes when it comes to these small details. |
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I would expect more of this as we can't keep pushing ICE's out of the market and forget that it is gas taxes that fix and maintain our roads. They will most likely pass this with a lower rate and magically the rate will grow ever year. It's how politicians roll.
Electric vehicle owners in Pa. could soon be zapped with an annual fee HARRISBURG — Electric vehicle owners in Pennsylvania could be required to pay an annual fee — potentially the highest in the nation — for the privilege of driving an eco-friendly car or truck. The House Transportation Committee on Monday approved the Senate-passed bill that would set the fee at $290 a year starting next year but the amount of the fee continues to be a subject of ongoing negotiations. “I do believe there’s an issue of fairness here. I think everyone who drives on the roads needs to be paying a fair share of that,” |
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Tesla recalls nearly all vehicles sold in U.S. to fix system that monitors drivers using Autopilot.
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