[EJT86]

Massachusetts just passed a law that now makes it illegal for us to wrap a rubber band around our hand and shoot it like a gun. Anyone caught will face various weapons charges as well as attempted murder and face min 20years in prison

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by Joekerr

So....which pathological liar are you voting for?

One of the problems is that anyone with a lick of intelligence doesn't want to be president.

Seems the main requirement for running for president is an ego the size of Texas. I about became a firearm death statistic last night because i left the TV on a network channel after MNF. Almost had to shoot myself listening to 45 seconds snippets from their campaigns.

I used to say that i'll vote for anyone who isn't a politician. But i'm not so sure about that these days. I do feel that we need a stronger front person than what we've had for the last 8 years. And history has shown that sometimes an unpopular person can be the right leader at the right time to get things done.

I just don't know who that is.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

What's wrong with using a 223 round for hunting?

I believe it's because it falls under the .22cal rule which was probably created with .22lr in mind. Just like someone posted above where Mass made anything over .50cal illegal making criminals of all the revolutionary war actors.

.223 will kill lots of animals. I've seen many a large pig drop dead instantly from a .223.

[PINeely]

Originally Posted by 1MOREMOD

What's wrong with using a 223 round for hunting?

While a .223 round is probably enough to put down small to medium deer with proper shot placement, hunters have a responsibility to make humane shots. The chance is high that the animal will be wounded, but not killed, and may die days later after suffering. Same is true for long range shots where shot placement is compromised

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by EJT86

Massachusetts just passed a law that now makes it illegal for us to wrap a rubber band around our hand and shoot it like a gun. Anyone caught will face various weapons charges as well as attempted murder and face min 20years in prison

Seriously? Link

[fravel]

Ohio has goofy cartridge laws. For example, if you're hunting white tail deer it's gotta a straight-walled cartridge bigger than .38 cal and you can only have a max of 3 shots without reloading, but if you're just shooting at feral swine or coyote you can use whatever you want.

[PINeely]

Originally Posted by fravel

Ohio has goofy cartridge laws. For example, if you're hunting white tail deer it's gotta a straight-walled cartridge bigger than .38 cal and you can only have a max of 3 shots without reloading, but if you're just shooting at feral swine or coyote you can use whatever you want.

We have similar laws here, if the animal is considered a "nuisance animal" (wild hogs, raccoons, coyotes, etc.) then you can use whatever. Calibers are regulated for everything else but there are no restriction on projectile type like some states have.

[EJT86]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Seriously? Link

No not serious I was mocking this stupid state

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by PINeely

While a .223 round is probably enough to put down small to medium deer with proper shot placement, hunters have a responsibility to make humane shots. The chance is high that the animal will be wounded, but not killed, and may die days later after suffering. Same is true for long range shots where shot placement is compromised

This is a similar story with the 9mm pistol round. The 5.56/.223 has been a huge benefactor of bullet technology. What used to be a haphazard small caliber bullet that didn't offer much in terms of ballistic repeatability, now has options galore to choose from. With the same rifle, shooting different ammo, you can go from 20" large cavity penetration leaving you with an intact same weight as it started projectile, all the way to almost immediate super expansion and fragmentation which doesn't penetrate more than 6", repeatably.

I doubt there is much of an issue as there once was.

[Axius]

Law aside wouldnt want to hunt with 223 anyways, the 3030 was good but i sold it for the 30-06. If a nice sized buck came rolling through wouldnt want to blast it in the head if didnt have to. However wpuld use the AR all day long on coons and coyotes. Theres about 5 coons that are eating all the corn at night wasting the corn, havent seen any during tge day or theyd get taken out with the crossbow at this point.

[1MOREMOD]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

This is a similar story with the 9mm pistol round. The 5.56/.223 has been a huge benefactor of bullet technology. What used to be a haphazard small caliber bullet that didn't offer much in terms of ballistic repeatability, now has options galore to choose from. With the same rifle, shooting different ammo, you can go from 20" large cavity penetration leaving you with an intact same weight as it started projectile, all the way to almost immediate super expansion and fragmentation which doesn't penetrate more than 6", repeatably.

I doubt there is much of an issue as there once was.

Yeah that's what I was thinking. So it's not a black gun thing? They are okay if I used a 308 chambered ar or an ak. 223 has lot of variations like you said and could find something suitable for deer easily.

[PINeely]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

This is a similar story with the 9mm pistol round. The 5.56/.223 has been a huge benefactor of bullet technology. What used to be a haphazard small caliber bullet that didn't offer much in terms of ballistic repeatability, now has options galore to choose from. With the same rifle, shooting different ammo, you can go from 20" large cavity penetration leaving you with an intact same weight as it started projectile, all the way to almost immediate super expansion and fragmentation which doesn't penetrate more than 6", repeatably.

I doubt there is much of an issue as there once was.

I doubt it's an issue anymore either. Like you said earlier the .223 falls under the unfortunate banner of ".22," a classification which was established to keep people from hunting with .22LR. I've taken many hogs with .223/5.56 without problems, you guys would be amazed how devastating that anemic little 55gr projectile can be, especially if it destabilizes and keyholes.

Cartridge technology has come a long way. Modern 9mm is on par with modern .40. Modern .223 beats the pants off of the stuff that was offered even 10 years ago. Possibly the best example of this is the .380 ACP HPs which hold their own as defensive cartridges today; 15 years ago I would have NEVER carried a .380 ACP. Still don't but it is a viable option nowadays.

[NickyC]

So...

We still can't post pictures of our firearms here?

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by EJT86

No not serious I was mocking this stupid state

Ok. I'm all for that.

[PINeely]

Originally Posted by NickyC

So...

We still can't post pictures of our firearms here?

[EJT86]

Originally Posted by PINeely

Banned!

[other_evolved]

I don't think I'd go deer hunting with 223/556. Isn't the point of the heavier rounds (30-06, 7mm, etc.) that it won't shear as much if it encounters branches en route to the deer? Most people around here are hunting deer from a decent distance where I would think the 223/556 would under penetrate (miss key organs) and end up maiming the animal.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by PINeely

Is that the new silent but deadly model which runs off of methane?

[GabeS]

Went to the gun show in Vegas, and I buy a nice scope and I ask them if they are sure it would work on my AR and when I get home all I see is the front Iron sights in the scope lol..and it barely mounts. due to space. I am assuming Ill need some sort of a lifter or adapter to bring it higher?

[PINeely]

Originally Posted by GabeS

Went to the gun show in Vegas, and I buy a nice scope and I ask them if they are sure it would work on my AR and when I get home all I see is the front Iron sights in the scope lol..and it barely mounts. due to space. I am assuming Ill need some sort of a lifter or adapter to bring it higher?

What kind of scope, is it meant to co-witness your iron sights or stand alone?

Many optics need a riser rail to mount properly on an AR. Even if it fits without one you may have trouble getting your cheek down far enough for a proper sight picture.

[PINeely]

Anyone need a Safariland 6304-832-131? Fits a Glock 17 or 22 with a light. Currently in drop-leg format but the holster itself can be removed for a different carry system. Going for cheap.

[GabeS]

Originally Posted by PINeely

What kind of scope, is it meant to co-witness your iron sights or stand alone?

Many optics need a riser rail to mount properly on an AR. Even if it fits without one you may have trouble getting your cheek down far enough for a proper sight picture.

That's what my boy said, its IKJ sights and optics from AZ.