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      02-18-2021, 11:25 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by VisualEcho View Post
Kia is much better than they used to be, but still overall trash compared to Nissan.
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It's based on my experience in the car business. And even if they were the same quality, and they're not, but even if they were the public still expects to pay less for a Kia than a Nissan, so your resale will suffer.

Also, JD Power and Consumer Reports are complete trash. It's about like asking google what the best of anything is. If you're looking to them for advice you don't know anything about cars.

If you want to know about cars, ask the guys that sell cars, ask them about their used inventory, what they will keep and what they won't. Ask them what starts on a cold morning, and what doesn't. Ask them because they know, and they aren't being paid to feed you a line of bull.

My 2¢
To summarize then, Kia is "overall trash" and JD Power and Consumer Reports "are complete trash" but "if you want to know about cars, ask the guys that sell cars."

With due respect, I've spoken with a lot of 'guys that sells cars' over the years and many of them know little even of the cars they sell. Many times I've asked a car salesman, even supposedly award winning ones, a technical detail and they simply got it wrong. If it's a question of whether one should believe JD Power that's based on scientific methods and CR based on statistical and analytical techniques, versus the opinion of a guy that sells cars - again, with all due respect - I'd trust JD Power and CR each and every time.

Oh and, BTW, according to the latest JD Power study, the three most dependable auto brands in the U.S. are now Lexus, Porsche and Kia. They said of Kia: "Kia vehicles have notably risen from among the least dependable auto brands in the U.S. to most dependable in just a decade, with 97 problems per 100 vehicles on average. Toyota was near the top of the list with 98 problems per 100 vehicles."

No bad for "overall trash." [PS: I can't believe I'm defending Kia!]
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